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Posted by Krux
on Wednesday April 4, 2007 @ 07:10pm|
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Posted by Stealth
on Monday April 9, 2007 @ 10:37am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Nice new icon BTW. |
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Posted by Krux
on Monday April 9, 2007 @ 01:49pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Nice new icon BTW. Yea, I figured the icon should match the theme. "Over the trackless rolling dust-dunes under Krux's coffee table, electromagnetism is at work." -- Dun Malg |
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Posted by Krux
on Saturday April 7, 2007 @ 07:08pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Latest status: Qmail with greylisting is working smoothly. had to tweak some of the memory settings since while it was working initially, as I configured more components, the memory requirements thus increased. Dovecot pop3/imap server setup and working. In order for it to work, I had to move everyone's mbox mail file back to /var/spool/mail, since Dovecot doesn't seem to support copying messages from spool and saving them in mbox like pine and the uw-imap/pop3 daemon does. On the plus side, secure pop3 and imap are both working finally. I have pop-before-smtp installed, but I have to configure that yet. though I did allow the server itself to relay mail, so you can send mail using SquirrelMail now. Both those mean SquirrelMail is up and running. SpamAssassin with FuzzyOCR is working. I'll probably tweak it to use the daemon mode for SpamAssassin at some point. I'll probably look at adding virus scanning and botnet checking to the list of stuff to filter on at some point. Still need to install and configure pgp for pine. "just because you painted your blow up doll white and put a pair of black crotchless panties on her, doesn't mean its goth" -- Caliber |
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Posted by Krux
on Monday April 9, 2007 @ 10:23pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Looks like pop-before-smtp is working. Still can't send from my phone for some reason, but that may be because sprint is blocking outbound port 25 traffic, as well they should. What? I don't speak your crazy moon-language. |
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Posted by Krux
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 10:46am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Looks like pop-before-smtp is working. Still can't send from my phone for some reason, but that may be because sprint is blocking outbound port 25 traffic, as well they should. Ok, fixed the SSL server certificates, so you can use SSL with all the protocols: I tested it with Thunderbird. I've yet to test if the smtp over ssl is working on my phone, since I left the phone at home on the nightstand. PinePGP is also working. "I'll fucking knock Steven Hawking out of that stupid chair. Then i'll say 'now who's smart? now who's fucking smart?'" -- Ron Bennington |
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Posted by Stealth
on Wednesday March 24, 2010 @ 03:02pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Ok, fixed the SSL server certificates, so you can use SSL with all the protocols: Can we make this a Sticky.. or have like a notes paged for signed in users so we don't have to search for this over and over? Cool beans. Thanks. BTW - VOLT! - User these settings with the server 'thcnet.net' and SSL and you can check your THC over your 'Droid phone. :-) It doesn't support imap folders very well at all, so you can read/respond, but message/folder management would have to happen at a later time. "God damn cocksucking hoopleheads!" |
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Posted by voltaic
on Friday March 26, 2010 @ 12:19pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] BTW - VOLT! - User these settings with the server 'thcnet.net' and SSL and you can check your THC over your 'Droid phone. :-) It doesn't support imap folders very well at all, so you can read/respond, but message/folder management would have to happen at a later time. Ahh, then that means I simply won't bother for now, as I pretty much require folder access. Thanks for looking up the post though. :) "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @ 01:00pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] BTW - VOLT! - User these settings with the server 'thcnet.net' and SSL and you can check your THC over your 'Droid phone. :-) It doesn't support imap folders very well at all, so you can read/respond, but message/folder management would have to happen at a later time. Ahh, then that means I simply won't bother for now, as I pretty much require folder access. Thanks for looking up the post though. :) I could be dense, but I couldn't figure out how to move messages. I can open folders and all that, but sorting is a different question. Maybe if I get some free time and have nothing better to do I'll see about maybe making a cool little app and figure out a way to do IMAP folders. I think the demand is niche though as most people are using webmail or something. "Governments and corporations need people like you and me. We are samurai. The keyboard cowboys. And all those other people out there who have no idea what's going on are the cattle. Mooo!" --Mr. The Plague, |
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Posted by Krux
on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @ 12:36am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I could be dense, but I couldn't figure out how to move messages. I can open folders and all that, but sorting is a different question. Maybe if I get some free time and have nothing better to do I'll see about maybe making a cool little app and figure out a way to do IMAP folders. I think the demand is niche though as most people are using webmail or something. My phone if I hit menu, there is a "Move to folder" menu option. "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -- Carl Sagan |
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Posted by Stealth
on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @ 05:58am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I could be dense, but I couldn't figure out how to move messages. I can open folders and all that, but sorting is a different question. Maybe if I get some free time and have nothing better to do I'll see about maybe making a cool little app and figure out a way to do IMAP folders. I think the demand is niche though as most people are using webmail or something. My phone if I hit menu, there is a "Move to folder" menu option. Yewah, that's what I wasn't seeing on mine. But then again, I can mail someone at another domain, so I win this round. :-) "Governments and corporations need people like you and me. We are samurai. The keyboard cowboys. And all those other people out there who have no idea what's going on are the cattle. Mooo!" --Mr. The Plague, |
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Posted by Krux
on Friday April 2, 2010 @ 03:47pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I could be dense, but I couldn't figure out how to move messages. I can open folders and all that, but sorting is a different question. Maybe if I get some free time and have nothing better to do I'll see about maybe making a cool little app and figure out a way to do IMAP folders. I think the demand is niche though as most people are using webmail or something. My phone if I hit menu, there is a "Move to folder" menu option. Yewah, that's what I wasn't seeing on mine. But then again, I can mail someone at another domain, so I win this round. :-) Oddly enough it just started working again. No idea why my phone was wigging out. Probably because Palm sucks. Next phone will be an Android based phone. I fucking rule. |
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Posted by Stealth
on Monday April 5, 2010 @ 05:39am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I could be dense, but I couldn't figure out how to move messages. I can open folders and all that, but sorting is a different question. Maybe if I get some free time and have nothing better to do I'll see about maybe making a cool little app and figure out a way to do IMAP folders. I think the demand is niche though as most people are using webmail or something. My phone if I hit menu, there is a "Move to folder" menu option. Yewah, that's what I wasn't seeing on mine. But then again, I can mail someone at another domain, so I win this round. :-) Oddly enough it just started working again. No idea why my phone was wigging out. Probably because Palm sucks. Next phone will be an Android based phone. Since my N1 disappeared during my trip a few weekends back, I've been debating which android phone to get (since I don't have to worry about carrier frequency bullshit). I liked the N1 speed (over my Hero - OMG it's slow) but I like the hardware buttons on the Hero. I don't mind not having a physical keyboard, but it would be nice. regardless, it's nice to have choices and know that the software will work across all of them. "It's 'Eh', you tard." - Ghostalker |
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Posted by MadArab
on Thursday April 8, 2010 @ 08:53am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Since my N1 disappeared during my trip a few weekends back, I've been debating which android phone to get (since I don't have to worry about carrier frequency bullshit). I liked the N1 speed (over my Hero - OMG it's slow) but I like the hardware buttons on the Hero. I don't mind not having a physical keyboard, but it would be nice. regardless, it's nice to have choices and know that the software will work across all of them. Do you just download more money as needed from the newsgroups? Shit man! Well, I'm glad to hear that. Listen, I've been fatally poisoned, there's probably a psychopath heading over there to torture and kill you as we speak, but don't bother getting out of bed, I'll be there in a flash... Maybe you could fry me up a waffle or something, kay? |
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Posted by Stealth
on Wednesday April 14, 2010 @ 12:16pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Since my N1 disappeared during my trip a few weekends back, I've been debating which android phone to get (since I don't have to worry about carrier frequency bullshit). I liked the N1 speed (over my Hero - OMG it's slow) but I like the hardware buttons on the Hero. I don't mind not having a physical keyboard, but it would be nice. regardless, it's nice to have choices and know that the software will work across all of them. Do you just download more money as needed from the newsgroups? Shit man! I just call my Uncle Sam and ask for more of that tax money. "Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary? That's what gets you." - J. Clarkson |
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Posted by MadArab
on Monday April 19, 2010 @ 05:33am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I just call my Uncle Sam and ask for more of that tax money. Ah, that's right. I hardly got one of those this year. I'm getting more back from the State, but NC apparently is dragging heels (Tar Heels... hah!) on paying out refunds. So much as to be offering to give interest with your refund when they finally decide they can give it to you. Nice eh? You ain't from this planet are you, Vincent? Who is gonna mug two black fellas, holding pistols, sat in a car that is worth less than your shirt? |
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Posted by Stealth
on Monday April 19, 2010 @ 12:05pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I just call my Uncle Sam and ask for more of that tax money. Ah, that's right. I hardly got one of those this year. I'm getting more back from the State, but NC apparently is dragging heels (Tar Heels... hah!) on paying out refunds. So much as to be offering to give interest with your refund when they finally decide they can give it to you. Nice eh? Dude. My taxes are zero. ( Paycheck - allowances ) < tax free max overseas = 0 taxes. One of the reason I don't want to move back. One downside of NM is they have state income tax. WA and NV didn't have that. that was nice. State taxes suck. "Stuff sold by the gram is always going to be more exciting than stuff sold by the pound" - J. Clarkson |
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Posted by voltaic
on Tuesday April 20, 2010 @ 12:10pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Dude. My taxes are zero. ( Paycheck - allowances ) < tax free max overseas = 0 taxes. One of the reason I don't want to move back. One downside of NM is they have state income tax. WA and NV didn't have that. that was nice. State taxes suck. There are only like 3-4 states without state income tax. Most of them aren't as bad as CA and NY, but they have 'em nonetheless. And anyway employers have figured that into their cost of labor so no big deal. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday April 20, 2010 @ 12:32pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Dude. My taxes are zero. ( Paycheck - allowances ) < tax free max overseas = 0 taxes. One of the reason I don't want to move back. One downside of NM is they have state income tax. WA and NV didn't have that. that was nice. State taxes suck. There are only like 3-4 states without state income tax. Most of them aren't as bad as CA and NY, but they have 'em nonetheless. And anyway employers have figured that into their cost of labor so no big deal. Well, they figured that in, but how much did they take it into account in the modern day recession/ bad job hunting. In doing the research it is nice to see that the sales tax is lower then it was in NV and WA "[Sigh] - I hate you Kenny" -- Cartman |
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Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 21, 2010 @ 09:46am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] There are only like 3-4 states without state income tax. Most of them aren't as bad as CA and NY, but they have 'em nonetheless. And anyway employers have figured that into their cost of labor so no big deal. Well, they figured that in, but how much did they take it into account in the modern day recession/ bad job hunting. In doing the research it is nice to see that the sales tax is lower then it was in NV and WA Well if you're unemployed then you aren't making any income. Hence, no income tax. :) Sales tax is a different item altogether, as NV is damn near as high as CA now. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Thursday April 22, 2010 @ 02:14pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] There are only like 3-4 states without state income tax. Most of them aren't as bad as CA and NY, but they have 'em nonetheless. And anyway employers have figured that into their cost of labor so no big deal. Well, they figured that in, but how much did they take it into account in the modern day recession/ bad job hunting. In doing the research it is nice to see that the sales tax is lower then it was in NV and WA Well if you're unemployed then you aren't making any income. Hence, no income tax. :) Sales tax is a different item altogether, as NV is damn near as high as CA now. I'm not trying to be unemployed though.. That tends to be hard on the hobby's and comfortable living. "It's 'Eh', you tard." - Ghostalker |
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Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @ 11:33am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Well if you're unemployed then you aren't making any income. Hence, no income tax. :) Sales tax is a different item altogether, as NV is damn near as high as CA now. I'm not trying to be unemployed though.. That tends to be hard on the hobby's and comfortable living. OK, but that has little to do with what you were talking about. :) "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Thursday April 29, 2010 @ 06:42am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Well if you're unemployed then you aren't making any income. Hence, no income tax. :) Sales tax is a different item altogether, as NV is damn near as high as CA now. I'm not trying to be unemployed though.. That tends to be hard on the hobby's and comfortable living. OK, but that has little to do with what you were talking about. :) Ah yes.. right.. I see what I did there. And really, is anyone surprised that I can't follow a conversation over multiple threads? "Steve Jobs can't even fucking give away money without making money" -- Slashdot post |
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Posted by Krux
on Wednesday April 21, 2010 @ 12:26pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] There are only like 3-4 states without state income tax. Most of them aren't as bad as CA and NY, but they have 'em nonetheless. And anyway employers have figured that into their cost of labor so no big deal. Well, they figured that in, but how much did they take it into account in the modern day recession/ bad job hunting. In doing the research it is nice to see that the sales tax is lower then it was in NV and WA Well if you're unemployed then you aren't making any income. Hence, no income tax. :) Sales tax is a different item altogether, as NV is damn near as high as CA now. Yea, it was 7.75% and now 8.1% in Clark county. What good is power if you can't abuse it? |
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Posted by Caliber
on Wednesday April 21, 2010 @ 02:19pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] There are only like 3-4 states without state income tax. Most of them aren't as bad as CA and NY, but they have 'em nonetheless. And anyway employers have figured that into their cost of labor so no big deal. Well, they figured that in, but how much did they take it into account in the modern day recession/ bad job hunting. In doing the research it is nice to see that the sales tax is lower then it was in NV and WA Well if you're unemployed then you aren't making any income. Hence, no income tax. :) Sales tax is a different item altogether, as NV is damn near as high as CA now. Yea, it was 7.75% and now 8.1% in Clark county. hooray for the intarwebs I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am... |
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Posted by MadArab
on Thursday April 22, 2010 @ 05:37am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Yea, it was 7.75% and now 8.1% in Clark county. hooray for the intarwebs Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. You ain't from this planet are you, Vincent? Who is gonna mug two black fellas, holding pistols, sat in a car that is worth less than your shirt? |
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Posted by Stealth
on Thursday March 17, 2011 @ 07:26pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] So.. new article today about just this problem, how to solve it, etc.. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/03/amazon-vs-states/ "Steve Jobs can't even fucking give away money without making money" -- Slashdot post |
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Posted by Caliber
on Friday March 18, 2011 @ 10:16pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] So.. new article today about just this problem, how to solve it, etc.. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/03/amazon-vs-states/ My last 2 orders with them have gone very poorly. I hope it isn't a taste of things to come $1500 keyboards are dumb. --voltaic |
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Posted by Stealth
on Sunday March 20, 2011 @ 08:45pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] So.. new article today about just this problem, how to solve it, etc.. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/03/amazon-vs-states/ My last 2 orders with them have gone very poorly. I hope it isn't a taste of things to come really.. sorry to hear that. I have had like zero problems with them.. never. It's been great. But hey.. I could be lucky. "You know what it reminds me of, you know what it reminds me of? Oh yeah.. a complete waste of time" - Dave Letterman |
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Posted by Caliber
on Monday March 21, 2011 @ 07:30am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] So.. new article today about just this problem, how to solve it, etc.. http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/03/amazon-vs-states/ My last 2 orders with them have gone very poorly. I hope it isn't a taste of things to come really.. sorry to hear that. I have had like zero problems with them.. never. It's been great. But hey.. I could be lucky. No doubt, I have probably placed over 200 orders with them (half of those in iraq). In the grand scheme, I suppose 2% isn't bad. It is just odd that it was twice in a row, and both at times when I needed the books very quickly... bastards When I was your age, Pluto was a planet |
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Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @ 11:34am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. CA has been doing that forever. That's why if you live here you pay taxes on items bought through mail order/online if the company has an office here in CA. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Thursday April 29, 2010 @ 06:44am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. CA has been doing that forever. That's why if you live here you pay taxes on items bought through mail order/online if the company has an office here in CA. Yeah, What Krux said. The thing is, in NC Amazon doesn't have a physical presence. "Steve Jobs can't even fucking give away money without making money" -- Slashdot post |
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Posted by Krux
on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @ 01:47pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. CA has been doing that forever. That's why if you live here you pay taxes on items bought through mail order/online if the company has an office here in CA. A lot of states do that. Love your country, but never trust its government. -- Robert A. Heinlein. |
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Posted by Stealth
on Thursday April 22, 2010 @ 02:13pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Yea, it was 7.75% and now 8.1% in Clark county. hooray for the intarwebs Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. I was reading about that.. good for Amazon for giving NC the finger. that's pretty messed up. "Governments and corporations need people like you and me. We are samurai. The keyboard cowboys. And all those other people out there who have no idea what's going on are the cattle. Mooo!" --Mr. The Plague, |
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Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @ 11:35am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. I was reading about that.. good for Amazon for giving NC the finger. that's pretty messed up. What if it was an oil company? "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Thursday April 29, 2010 @ 06:45am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. I was reading about that.. good for Amazon for giving NC the finger. that's pretty messed up. What if it was an oil company? I know you are trying to push buttons and be funny, but I don't understand the question. "Steve Jobs can't even fucking give away money without making money" -- Slashdot post |
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Posted by voltaic
on Friday April 30, 2010 @ 07:27am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I was reading about that.. good for Amazon for giving NC the finger. that's pretty messed up. What if it was an oil company? I know you are trying to push buttons and be funny, but I don't understand the question. Not trying to be funny or push buttons, just trying to converse. You are glad Amazon gave the finger about paying tax to a state, so I'm curious if you'd feel the same if a traditional "evil company" like an oil company did the same? I guess it does sound trollish, not my intention. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Sunday May 2, 2010 @ 03:29am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I was reading about that.. good for Amazon for giving NC the finger. that's pretty messed up. What if it was an oil company? I know you are trying to push buttons and be funny, but I don't understand the question. Not trying to be funny or push buttons, just trying to converse. You are glad Amazon gave the finger about paying tax to a state, so I'm curious if you'd feel the same if a traditional "evil company" like an oil company did the same? I guess it does sound trollish, not my intention. Like Savage said, any company that has a physical presence should pay local taxes. Chevron (the big company) probably sells the gas/oil to the smaller local stores and they pay the sales tax. The big company might not pay sales tax, but then they aren't the final sale. "> In practice this is an engineering problem You misspelled "fundamental limit of thermodynamics" -- Slashdot post |
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Posted by voltaic
on Monday May 3, 2010 @ 11:25am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Not trying to be funny or push buttons, just trying to converse. You are glad Amazon gave the finger about paying tax to a state, so I'm curious if you'd feel the same if a traditional "evil company" like an oil company did the same? I guess it does sound trollish, not my intention. Like Savage said, any company that has a physical presence should pay local taxes. Chevron (the big company) probably sells the gas/oil to the smaller local stores and they pay the sales tax. The big company might not pay sales tax, but then they aren't the final sale. Chevron has its own gas stations, actually. Chevron stations. ARCO is, I think, the only big gas station chain that "buys its gas" from another supplier (BP) before selling to customers. But then to the question again: is it physical presence or final sale? What makes a substantive difference between physical presence and virtual presence for taxation purposes? Or I guess more down to the wire: why does physical presence matter? If you conduct business in a state, what is the nature of the argument that you should only support that state if you have a building there? And on a related issue, what about establishing physical presences to explicitly take advantage of things (like that article you had on MS avoiding taxes by setting up a branch in Nevada)? I'm not saying I disagree with you, I'm trying to figure out if there is a clearly defined line which makes sense. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by rub
on Thursday May 6, 2010 @ 02:43pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Chevron has its own gas stations, actually. Chevron stations. ARCO is, I think, the only big gas station chain that "buys its gas" from another supplier (BP) before selling to customers. Actually not quite. Arco is a subsidiary of BP. 7-11 and Circle K get their gas from other suppliers, as do all the supermarkets and club-stores (costco, sams) now carrying gas |
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Posted by voltaic
on Friday May 7, 2010 @ 11:47am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Shit that's right, I meant 7-11 and Citgo. Didn't know about the supermarkets (though it makes sense). Meh, oh well. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Caliber
on Tuesday May 4, 2010 @ 07:03pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] To be perfectly honest, I think the only logically truthful argument that can be made for Amazon (or other Internet entity) is that "We don't want to pay taxes." It's perfectly reasonable, from all other viewpoints, that the company (or consumer in the case of sales tax) should pay the same as is required of a brick and mortar joint. To answer your question, I do feel that for all taxes save sales tax, the company should pay standard business-related taxes to the state it currently holds license in. In addition, any federal tariffs required for interstate commerce should also be paid. It's only fair, IMHO. Sales tax is trickier. I do not have a solution... When I was your age, Pluto was a planet |
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Posted by Stealth
on Thursday May 6, 2010 @ 01:38pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] To be perfectly honest, I think the only logically truthful argument that can be made for Amazon (or other Internet entity) is that "We don't want to pay taxes." It's perfectly reasonable, from all other viewpoints, that the company (or consumer in the case of sales tax) should pay the same as is required of a brick and mortar joint. Lets say you sell D&D story books from a web page. You live in NV and you sell them online or even in a magazine. I live in Fl and I buy one. Who's tax do I pay? Or do you pay it? Florida? Miami (which is higher then Jacksonville), Reno? Should you, the business person have to know what the tax is for everywhere? If I lived in NV and purchased from you, then I would pay the same tax and coming to a store any buying it. No. At the end of the year, you file your taxes and you show a sales of X, of those X, Y was from NV, Those sales are taxes according to NV tax laws. That's where your business is, that's where your license is. Why should you get a license in all 50 states? Why should you file taxes in all 50 states? To answer your question, I do feel that for all taxes save sales tax, the company should pay standard business-related taxes to the state it currently holds license in. In addition, any federal tariffs required for interstate commerce should also be paid. It's only fair, IMHO. Sales tax is trickier. I do not have a solution... But this whole thing is ABOUT sales tax, that's it. "Stuff sold by the gram is always going to be more exciting than stuff sold by the pound" - J. Clarkson |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Friday May 7, 2010 @ 12:01pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Lets say you sell D&D story books from a web page. You live in NV and you sell them online or even in a magazine. I live in Fl and I buy one. Who's tax do I pay? Or do you pay it? Florida? Miami (which is higher then Jacksonville), Reno? Should you, the business person have to know what the tax is for everywhere? If I lived in NV and purchased from you, then I would pay the same tax and coming to a store any buying it. Of if you lived in FL, flew to NV to visit a friend, and then bought the book while you were there. I used to joke that when I drive to visit Caliber and family, I am supporting his job by buying gas in Carson City. The residency of the buyer is not the issue. No. At the end of the year, you file your taxes and you show a sales of X, of those X, Y was from NV, Those sales are taxes according to NV tax laws. That's where your business is, that's where your license is. Why should you get a license in all 50 states? Why should you file taxes in all 50 states? Just asserting yes yes yes isn't a discussion; I want a reason. Should a NV business with a NV location pay NV tax on sales made to customers in FL? Sales tax is trickier. I do not have a solution... But this whole thing is ABOUT sales tax, that's it. Yes I know. That's why we're having a discussion. I'm simply not convinced either way yet. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Thursday May 13, 2010 @ 06:17am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Lets say you sell D&D story books from a web page. You live in NV and you sell them online or even in a magazine. I live in Fl and I buy one. Who's tax do I pay? Or do you pay it? Florida? Miami (which is higher then Jacksonville), Reno? Should you, the business person have to know what the tax is for everywhere? If I lived in NV and purchased from you, then I would pay the same tax and coming to a store any buying it. Of if you lived in FL, flew to NV to visit a friend, and then bought the book while you were there. I used to joke that when I drive to visit Caliber and family, I am supporting his job by buying gas in Carson City. The residency of the buyer is not the issue. but that's exactly the issue. NC is asking for NC sales tax. No. At the end of the year, you file your taxes and you show a sales of X, of those X, Y was from NV, Those sales are taxes according to NV tax laws. That's where your business is, that's where your license is. Why should you get a license in all 50 states? Why should you file taxes in all 50 states? Just asserting yes yes yes isn't a discussion; I want a reason. Should a NV business with a NV location pay NV tax on sales made to customers in FL? If they Fly to NV then yes, the sale is local.. if they are doing it over the internet, then no. But that should apply to all states, not to NV only. Otherwise, i would imagine that everyone would move their businesses to a tax free states and do inet sales from there. "What has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap?" - Dr Bob Kelso, that's who |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Sunday May 16, 2010 @ 11:16am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Of if you lived in FL, flew to NV to visit a friend, and then bought the book while you were there. I used to joke that when I drive to visit Caliber and family, I am supporting his job by buying gas in Carson City. The residency of the buyer is not the issue. but that's exactly the issue. NC is asking for NC sales tax. And the buyer is in NC at the time. This is the thing I think we disagree on most: you assert that the business's location of sale is what matters and I am not yet convinced that this is more important of a determining factor than the buyer's location of sale. Am I at least right in boiling it down? Just asserting yes yes yes isn't a discussion; I want a reason. Should a NV business with a NV location pay NV tax on sales made to customers in FL? If they Fly to NV then yes, the sale is local.. if they are doing it over the internet, then no. But that should apply to all states, not to NV only. Otherwise, i would imagine that everyone would move their businesses to a tax free states and do inet sales from there. If I'm running a business I will license it in the state with the most favorable laws, build offices in the state with the best office-related policies, and host my website with the ISP (probably in another state) with the best services for what I need. States might have incentives to lower taxes for once (haw haw) to attract business back; in fact there is a bit of study going on right now concerning businesses leaving CA. No, not because of the sales tax, but because of the business income tax. There are so many kinds of taxes that a business has to consider, that just the ability to not charge the customer 7% isn't really a big deal. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Monday May 17, 2010 @ 04:13am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Of if you lived in FL, flew to NV to visit a friend, and then bought the book while you were there. I used to joke that when I drive to visit Caliber and family, I am supporting his job by buying gas in Carson City. The residency of the buyer is not the issue. but that's exactly the issue. NC is asking for NC sales tax. And the buyer is in NC at the time. This is the thing I think we disagree on most: you assert that the business's location of sale is what matters and I am not yet convinced that this is more important of a determining factor than the buyer's location of sale. Am I at least right in boiling it down? Right. That is correct. But with the term 'business' you have to remember, we're not talking about just the HQ, but if the company has any building in that state. Just asserting yes yes yes isn't a discussion; I want a reason. Should a NV business with a NV location pay NV tax on sales made to customers in FL? If they Fly to NV then yes, the sale is local.. if they are doing it over the internet, then no. But that should apply to all states, not to NV only. Otherwise, i would imagine that everyone would move their businesses to a tax free states and do inet sales from there. If I'm running a business I will license it in the state with the most favorable laws, build offices in the state with the best office-related policies, and host my website with the ISP (probably in another state) with the best services for what I need. States might have incentives to lower taxes for once (haw haw) to attract business back; in fact there is a bit of study going on right now concerning businesses leaving CA. No, not because of the sales tax, but because of the business income tax. There are so many kinds of taxes that a business has to consider, that just the ability to not charge the customer 7% isn't really a big deal. Does that kind of though process, doing things in different states to try and squeeze the most of the system, does that make more sense then just making the laws the same across the playing field? It seems that laws written, to allow your company to do what you described only end up making things worse and more confusing. Yes, the company might make 3%, but now you have to worry about the laws of 3 or 4 states (possibly) instead of just the one you want to do business in. You think states should be lowering taxes right now? Really? How would that work out for most of them, generating less income then before when there already is a shortfall and budget problems? "[Sigh] - I hate you Kenny" -- Cartman |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @ 08:12am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Right. That is correct. But with the term 'business' you have to remember, we're not talking about just the HQ, but if the company has any building in that state. Understood. I just wanted to make sure I am sure about which point we disagree on: is the official point of sale at the buyer's location or the seller's location. Now I can just say: your wrong. ;) Does that kind of though process, doing things in different states to try and squeeze the most of the system, does that make more sense then just making the laws the same across the playing field? It seems that laws written, to allow your company to do what you described only end up making things worse and more confusing. Yes, the company might make 3%, but now you have to worry about the laws of 3 or 4 states (possibly) instead of just the one you want to do business in. Of course it makes sense. States can't all have homogeneous laws. The cultures, needs, resources, and weaknesses of each state are different. If a business had to be concerned about every single law in every single state, sure that would be a bunch of crap. However, many companies are already in many/most states and things seem to hum along just fine. Taco Bell charges me CA/Sacramento sales tax here and NV/LV sales tax in Vegas. You think states should be lowering taxes right now? Really? How would that work out for most of them, generating less income then before when there already is a shortfall and budget problems? No, not really. I don't know where you got this from. I made a huge post not long ago that cutting spending was the only solution to current budget issues. You must remember since you replied to it. :) "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @ 08:25am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Right. That is correct. But with the term 'business' you have to remember, we're not talking about just the HQ, but if the company has any building in that state. Understood. I just wanted to make sure I am sure about which point we disagree on: is the official point of sale at the buyer's location or the seller's location. Now I can just say: your wrong. ;) Noted. Score: Volt - pie Stealth - 0 You think states should be lowering taxes right now? Really? How would that work out for most of them, generating less income then before when there already is a shortfall and budget problems? No, not really. I don't know where you got this from. I made a huge post not long ago that cutting spending was the only solution to current budget issues. You must remember since you replied to it. :) "States might have incentives to lower taxes for once (haw haw) to attract business back" That's where I got it from. Haw haw being that you might think it's a good idea. I remember the other thread.. "No training? To go to bed with a man and lie to him? She's a woman. She's got all the training she needs." |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @ 08:35am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] You think states should be lowering taxes right now? Really? How would that work out for most of them, generating less income then before when there already is a shortfall and budget problems? No, not really. I don't know where you got this from. I made a huge post not long ago that cutting spending was the only solution to current budget issues. You must remember since you replied to it. :) "States might have incentives to lower taxes for once (haw haw) to attract business back" That's where I got it from. Haw haw being that you might think it's a good idea. I remember the other thread.. I get lost between threads and topics. Anyway, the "haw haw" was me saying "yeah right, like a state is going to lower taxes". "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Friday May 7, 2010 @ 08:56pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Just asserting yes yes yes isn't a discussion; I want a reason. Should a NV business with a NV location pay NV tax on sales made to customers in FL? Yes. "I hope she and her baby die in a fucking fire." -v |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Thursday May 6, 2010 @ 09:07pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] No. At the end of the year, you file your taxes and you show a sales of X, of those X, Y was from NV, Those sales are taxes according to NV tax laws. That's where your business is, that's where your license is. Why should you get a license in all 50 states? Why should you file taxes in all 50 states? From what I understand that if a company, such as Amazon, has warehouses in multiple states, they have to charge sales tax for sales in each of those states, but only for sales to people in those states. "I'm not going to sit here while you run around this cul de sac of stupidity." -- rb |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Friday May 7, 2010 @ 12:02pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] No. At the end of the year, you file your taxes and you show a sales of X, of those X, Y was from NV, Those sales are taxes according to NV tax laws. That's where your business is, that's where your license is. Why should you get a license in all 50 states? Why should you file taxes in all 50 states? From what I understand that if a company, such as Amazon, has warehouses in multiple states, they have to charge sales tax for sales in each of those states, but only for sales to people in those states. I believe there is also a strong Constitutional argument that when a business engages in regular commerce across state lines, they should either have to get a license in every state or get some kind of federal interstate commerce business license. I'm not saying I agree, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for such a thing to be suggested. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Friday May 7, 2010 @ 09:08pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] No. At the end of the year, you file your taxes and you show a sales of X, of those X, Y was from NV, Those sales are taxes according to NV tax laws. That's where your business is, that's where your license is. Why should you get a license in all 50 states? Why should you file taxes in all 50 states? From what I understand that if a company, such as Amazon, has warehouses in multiple states, they have to charge sales tax for sales in each of those states, but only for sales to people in those states. I believe there is also a strong Constitutional argument that when a business engages in regular commerce across state lines, they should either have to get a license in every state or get some kind of federal interstate commerce business license. I'm not saying I agree, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for such a thing to be suggested. I don't think that should be the case. It seems a logistical nightmare. Getting a business license in the state you are in is fine. If you have a business that has a presence in multiple states, having multiple business licenses for each state is fine. I mean I assume how the translations work is that for each sale that state sales tax is collected on, they have to pay that to the state either monthly or at least when you file your taxes for the business. I don't see how workable it would be if you ended up having to file taxes to potentially 50 different states. And then what about sales to people who are over seas. If we're trying to collect more money from sales, If anything I would think, that businesses just charge a sales tax for the state they are local in for all translations, and be done with it. That would probably complicate things, if say you were amazon and had multiple state business licenses, since you would have to then figure out which state you are going to put the sales under. It may be for that very reason they just don't required a state sales tax for sales across state lines. The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me. -- Steven Wright |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday May 12, 2010 @ 08:34am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I believe there is also a strong Constitutional argument that when a business engages in regular commerce across state lines, they should either have to get a license in every state or get some kind of federal interstate commerce business license. I'm not saying I agree, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for such a thing to be suggested. I don't think that should be the case. It seems a logistical nightmare. Getting a business license in the state you are in is fine. If you have a business that has a presence in multiple states, having multiple business licenses for each state is fine. I mean I assume how the translations work is that for each sale that state sales tax is collected on, they have to pay that to the state either monthly or at least when you file your taxes for the business. I don't see how workable it would be if you ended up having to file taxes to potentially 50 different states. And then what about sales to people who are over seas. If we're trying to collect more money from sales, If anything I would think, that businesses just charge a sales tax for the state they are local in for all translations, and be done with it. That would probably complicate things, if say you were amazon and had multiple state business licenses, since you would have to then figure out which state you are going to put the sales under. It may be for that very reason they just don't required a state sales tax for sales across state lines. Business primarily file taxes quarterly, both state and federal. It isn't like our personal taxes on a once-per-year basis. Just FYI. Anyway, record keeping across state lines isn't as difficult as it used to be. It's trivial to keep up with sales taxes and track records of who bought what and where. Overseas certainly is a different issue especially since there is a question of jurisdiction. But for a customer in FL using a computer in FL and an internet connection in FL to buy an item to be shipped to FL, I'm not convinced he shouldn't pay FL sales tax just because the company he bought from is in another state. When I traveled to Hawaii and bought some cookies from a store to be shipped to family in Nevada, I paid Hawaii sales taxes on them. What is the substantive difference if I performed the exact same transaction except where I was sitting in CA making the purchase over the internet? "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Thursday May 13, 2010 @ 07:10am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I believe there is also a strong Constitutional argument that when a business engages in regular commerce across state lines, they should either have to get a license in every state or get some kind of federal interstate commerce business license. I'm not saying I agree, but it doesn't seem unreasonable for such a thing to be suggested. I don't think that should be the case. It seems a logistical nightmare. Getting a business license in the state you are in is fine. If you have a business that has a presence in multiple states, having multiple business licenses for each state is fine. I mean I assume how the translations work is that for each sale that state sales tax is collected on, they have to pay that to the state either monthly or at least when you file your taxes for the business. I don't see how workable it would be if you ended up having to file taxes to potentially 50 different states. And then what about sales to people who are over seas. If we're trying to collect more money from sales, If anything I would think, that businesses just charge a sales tax for the state they are local in for all translations, and be done with it. That would probably complicate things, if say you were amazon and had multiple state business licenses, since you would have to then figure out which state you are going to put the sales under. It may be for that very reason they just don't required a state sales tax for sales across state lines. Business primarily file taxes quarterly, both state and federal. It isn't like our personal taxes on a once-per-year basis. Just FYI. Anyway, record keeping across state lines isn't as difficult as it used to be. It's trivial to keep up with sales taxes and track records of who bought what and where. Overseas certainly is a different issue especially since there is a question of jurisdiction. But for a customer in FL using a computer in FL and an internet connection in FL to buy an item to be shipped to FL, I'm not convinced he shouldn't pay FL sales tax just because the company he bought from is in another state. When I traveled to Hawaii and bought some cookies from a store to be shipped to family in Nevada, I paid Hawaii sales taxes on them. What is the substantive difference if I performed the exact same transaction except where I was sitting in CA making the purchase over the internet? These two examples confuse me. From the way I read your first one (the FL example) I get that you are implying that the customer should pay taxes to FL for something purchased somewhere else. Correct? So you would have to keep track of what you bought and then pay FL at the end of the year. In the second example, you ask why shouldn't HI get taxes from the sale, since the company is in HI even if you purchased them at home in CA; where as you when you purchased them in HI, the state did get taxes. Who should get the taxes for what? Should the company always pay the sales tax for every purchase, should the company pay taxes for only the purchases made from customers in the state or should the consumer always pay the tax no matter where the store is (and move the requirement to pay the tax from the business to the consumer; as in businesses would no longer pay sales tax). What does the tax solve/provide? Income to the state. For what? Services for the business (fire/police/land improvements?). So why should FL get a cut of money of a purchase that a consumer made that didn't cost the state anything (if the purchase is over the internet)? If we had to choice, I would be more for having a company pay for every sale, regardless of source. But then, like with Amazon or NewEgg.. which state do you pay the tax in? the HQ state (and the states with the warehouses loose out)? The states it item came from (the warehouse but not where the sale was made, the HQ)? If you did it that way, I'm willing to bet most shops would move to OR or Delware and set up shop there. With the current system., anywhere there is a physical presence, that has to be supported by a city/state, those sales pay tax. Over the internet, from a place that doesn't have a physical presence for the company, there is no cost to any one state, so why should a state make money off of it. "[Sigh] - I hate you Kenny" -- Cartman |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Sunday May 16, 2010 @ 11:26am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Who should get the taxes for what? Should the company always pay the sales tax for every purchase, should the company pay taxes for only the purchases made from customers in the state or should the consumer always pay the tax no matter where the store is (and move the requirement to pay the tax from the business to the consumer; as in businesses would no longer pay sales tax). If this thing happens I expect businesses would be responsible to collect sales taxes from each buyer appropriately and then pass it on to the appropriate state governments. People aren't likely to self-report sales taxes. What does the tax solve/provide? Income to the state. For what? Services for the business (fire/police/land improvements?). So why should FL get a cut of money of a purchase that a consumer made that didn't cost the state anything (if the purchase is over the internet)? Whoa whoa, slow down here. California doesn't provide anything for me to buy something online from a store in Hawaii? Fire and police protection are nullified when I'm on the internet? My (hypothetical) kids aren't going to the public school when I buy from Amazon? If we had to choice, I would be more for having a company pay for every sale, regardless of source. But then, like with Amazon or NewEgg.. which state do you pay the tax in? the HQ state (and the states with the warehouses loose out)? The states it item came from (the warehouse but not where the sale was made, the HQ)? If you did it that way, I'm willing to bet most shops would move to OR or Delware and set up shop there. The state of the buyer. Your hypothetical is close to how the system is now and I don't see businesses flocking to Delaware. With the current system., anywhere there is a physical presence, that has to be supported by a city/state, those sales pay tax. Over the internet, from a place that doesn't have a physical presence for the company, there is no cost to any one state, so why should a state make money off of it. I disagree that there is no cost. Shrug. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Monday May 17, 2010 @ 04:07am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Who should get the taxes for what? Should the company always pay the sales tax for every purchase, should the company pay taxes for only the purchases made from customers in the state or should the consumer always pay the tax no matter where the store is (and move the requirement to pay the tax from the business to the consumer; as in businesses would no longer pay sales tax). If this thing happens I expect businesses would be responsible to collect sales taxes from each buyer appropriately and then pass it on to the appropriate state governments. People aren't likely to self-report sales taxes. And that would be a suck for businesses and consumers. In addition, cities/counties have their own tax rate. So now If I buy from Amazon, am I paying the 10 percent King County tax or the 8 percent Clark County tax? it's opening up a bigger can of worms. What does the tax solve/provide? Income to the state. For what? Services for the business (fire/police/land improvements?). So why should FL get a cut of money of a purchase that a consumer made that didn't cost the state anything (if the purchase is over the internet)? Whoa whoa, slow down here. California doesn't provide anything for me to buy something online from a store in Hawaii? Fire and police protection are nullified when I'm on the internet? My (hypothetical) kids aren't going to the public school when I buy from Amazon? No, But you still pay CA taxes on things you do buy from there; groceries, gas, power, food, property taxes,etc. I guess if this was a big deal where EVERYTHING was bought over the internet then maybe it would be something looking at again, but right now it's just trying to squeeze for every last dime. Lets say I spend 5K a year at Amazon.. that 500 in taxes. I don't think the state would care. And, no, I don't think every persons spends that much online.. i think it's much less. If we had to choice, I would be more for having a company pay for every sale, regardless of source. But then, like with Amazon or NewEgg.. which state do you pay the tax in? the HQ state (and the states with the warehouses loose out)? The states it item came from (the warehouse but not where the sale was made, the HQ)? If you did it that way, I'm willing to bet most shops would move to OR or Delware and set up shop there. The state of the buyer. Your hypothetical is close to how the system is now and I don't see businesses flocking to Delaware. Right now it's physical presence of any building.. Amazon and New Egg can't work out of one state (thus the warehouses around the country). And everyone else.. they either already have a presence in the state and collect/pay the tax (Sears, BestBuy, etc) or are to small to really care. With the current system., anywhere there is a physical presence, that has to be supported by a city/state, those sales pay tax. Over the internet, from a place that doesn't have a physical presence for the company, there is no cost to any one state, so why should a state make money off of it. I disagree that there is no cost. Shrug. You disagree, but provide no example or alternative? What addition cost does the state of CA incur when you buy something from HI on-line? You already paid for your cable/internet and the tax with that, and so the bits are being paid for, same with the house and power and all that jazz. It doesn't cost them anything. CA hasn't had to pay at all, any more then it already does when you browse the Google or the website for your school. "No training? To go to bed with a man and lie to him? She's a woman. She's got all the training she needs." |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @ 08:34am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] If this thing happens I expect businesses would be responsible to collect sales taxes from each buyer appropriately and then pass it on to the appropriate state governments. People aren't likely to self-report sales taxes. And that would be a suck for businesses and consumers. In addition, cities/counties have their own tax rate. So now If I buy from Amazon, am I paying the 10 percent King County tax or the 8 percent Clark County tax? it's opening up a bigger can of worms. Businesses do it now. How does it suck for consumers exactly since they don't have to do anything? As I've said, I'm talking about the customer's location at the time of sale. It's no big can of worms. It's 3141 numbers in a database listing sales taxes by county (or county equivalent as the USGS calls it). Businesses do it now. Think McDonalds. What is the big can of worms in them typing in the correct sales tax into their point-of-sale system whenever they open an outlet in a new place? Whoa whoa, slow down here. California doesn't provide anything for me to buy something online from a store in Hawaii? Fire and police protection are nullified when I'm on the internet? My (hypothetical) kids aren't going to the public school when I buy from Amazon? No, But you still pay CA taxes on things you do buy from there; groceries, gas, power, food, property taxes,etc. I guess if this was a big deal where EVERYTHING was bought over the internet then maybe it would be something looking at again, but right now it's just trying to squeeze for every last dime. Lets say I spend 5K a year at Amazon.. that 500 in taxes. I don't think the state would care. And, no, I don't think every persons spends that much online.. i think it's much less. The great thing about Amazon now is that they are publicly traded, so their audited financials are available online. Per their financials, their US-only sales (excluding stuff like fees from their credit cards, etc, so just sales as far as I can get it) was about $12.278B last year. Sales taxes range quite a bit in the US, but let's just be simple for this and say an average of 5% (I'm sure a true weighted average would be higher with more customers in the high CA and NY states for example, but fuck it). 5% of that sales revenue is ~$614M in 2009 alone. Or let's get creative and say perhaps Amazon sells 10% of their US revenue in CA since we're a bunch of online freaks. That's $1.228B in sales (going back to the original sales figure) and with our average 8.5% sales tax or so, that's potentially $104M in sales tax for only one year from Amazon alone. That's not something a state doesn't care about. With the current system., anywhere there is a physical presence, that has to be supported by a city/state, those sales pay tax. Over the internet, from a place that doesn't have a physical presence for the company, there is no cost to any one state, so why should a state make money off of it. I disagree that there is no cost. Shrug. You disagree, but provide no example or alternative? I already gave an example. I still receive fire and police protection in CA while I'm online buying from a store in NV. I'm curious what the "cost" is to a state beyond that for a business opening up a physical presence? What addition cost does the state of CA incur when you buy something from HI on-line? You already paid for your cable/internet and the tax with that, and so the bits are being paid for, same with the house and power and all that jazz. It doesn't cost them anything. CA hasn't had to pay at all, any more then it already does when you browse the Google or the website for your school. Additional cost? None. Just like it didn't cost Hawaii anything when I travelled there and bought from the Hawaii store. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday May 5, 2010 @ 09:16am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] To be perfectly honest, I think the only logically truthful argument that can be made for Amazon (or other Internet entity) is that "We don't want to pay taxes." It's perfectly reasonable, from all other viewpoints, that the company (or consumer in the case of sales tax) should pay the same as is required of a brick and mortar joint. The company doesn't pay sales tax, though. It is borne entirely by the customer. Amazon's incentive to avoid sales tax is so that they can tell customers that they, the customers, don't have to pay it. It's a marketing manuever, really. To answer your question, I do feel that for all taxes save sales tax, the company should pay standard business-related taxes to the state it currently holds license in. In addition, any federal tariffs required for interstate commerce should also be paid. It's only fair, IMHO. Now that's an interesting idea: some kind of interstate duties. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Thursday May 6, 2010 @ 01:40pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] To be perfectly honest, I think the only logically truthful argument that can be made for Amazon (or other Internet entity) is that "We don't want to pay taxes." It's perfectly reasonable, from all other viewpoints, that the company (or consumer in the case of sales tax) should pay the same as is required of a brick and mortar joint. The company doesn't pay sales tax, though. It is borne entirely by the customer. Amazon's incentive to avoid sales tax is so that they can tell customers that they, the customers, don't have to pay it. It's a marketing manuever, really. Companies pay sales tax. Or at least they collect it from the consumer and report it on the sales from the store and pass it on to the states, expect of course for those states that don't have a sales tax. how is it borne by the consumer? You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Bullet Tooth Tony |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Friday May 7, 2010 @ 12:03pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Companies pay sales tax. Or at least they collect it from the consumer and report it on the sales from the store and pass it on to the states, expect of course for those states that don't have a sales tax. how is it borne by the consumer? Wait, WHAT? I have to explain to you who pays sales tax? Next time you buy something in the US, look at the receipt my friend. There's a fucking 8 point vig in California alone. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Thursday May 13, 2010 @ 06:19am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Companies pay sales tax. Or at least they collect it from the consumer and report it on the sales from the store and pass it on to the states, expect of course for those states that don't have a sales tax. how is it borne by the consumer? Wait, WHAT? I have to explain to you who pays sales tax? Next time you buy something in the US, look at the receipt my friend. There's a fucking 8 point vig in California alone. you don't pay the tax directly, you give it to a business and the business pays the sales on the sales the business makes. I don't have to file anything with anyone on any sales that I make. I have to pay, but I pay to the business and it pays the state. "> In practice this is an engineering problem You misspelled "fundamental limit of thermodynamics" -- Slashdot post |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Sunday May 16, 2010 @ 11:18am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Companies pay sales tax. Or at least they collect it from the consumer and report it on the sales from the store and pass it on to the states, expect of course for those states that don't have a sales tax. how is it borne by the consumer? Wait, WHAT? I have to explain to you who pays sales tax? Next time you buy something in the US, look at the receipt my friend. There's a fucking 8 point vig in California alone. you don't pay the tax directly, you give it to a business and the business pays the sales on the sales the business makes. I don't have to file anything with anyone on any sales that I make. I have to pay, but I pay to the business and it pays the state. That is what is meant by "borne by the customer". Yes, the company is a proxy that actually takes in the money, but the burden of the sales taxes is borne by the customer. The customer _pays_ the sales tax, even if they pay it _to_ the business who then passes it on. That's like saying I don't pay my Verizon phone bill; I put money in the bank and the bank pays my bill. That's such retarded linguistic gymnastics that I can barely insult it properly. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Monday May 17, 2010 @ 04:18am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Companies pay sales tax. Or at least they collect it from the consumer and report it on the sales from the store and pass it on to the states, expect of course for those states that don't have a sales tax. how is it borne by the consumer? Wait, WHAT? I have to explain to you who pays sales tax? Next time you buy something in the US, look at the receipt my friend. There's a fucking 8 point vig in California alone. you don't pay the tax directly, you give it to a business and the business pays the sales on the sales the business makes. I don't have to file anything with anyone on any sales that I make. I have to pay, but I pay to the business and it pays the state. That is what is meant by "borne by the customer". Yes, the company is a proxy that actually takes in the money, but the burden of the sales taxes is borne by the customer. The customer _pays_ the sales tax, even if they pay it _to_ the business who then passes it on. That's like saying I don't pay my Verizon phone bill; I put money in the bank and the bank pays my bill. That's such retarded linguistic gymnastics that I can barely insult it properly. Except your verizon bill is in your name and you are responsible and even if the bank pays or not, it's on your ass. The sales tax, if the company doesn't pay, they are responsible. Example: Get a 'tax exempt status' number.. go buy goods, you won't pay tax on it, but the company has to do the work to show why they aren't passing that on. Not you. That's what I mean when I saw, Not my (consumer) responsibility. This bit all stemed from you saying Amazon's incentive to avoid sales tax is so that they can tell customers that they, the customers, don't have to pay it. It's a marketing manuever, really and I'm trying to say that it's not a marketing maneuver (I don't know what states Amazon will charge tax in or now and I wouldn't change my house location to avoid sales tax for just those purchases). You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity - Bullet Tooth Tony |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by rub
on Monday May 17, 2010 @ 11:31am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Except your verizon bill is in your name and you are responsible and even if the bank pays or not, it's on your ass. The sales tax, if the company doesn't pay, they are responsible. Example: Get a 'tax exempt status' number.. go buy goods, you won't pay tax on it, but the company has to do the work to show why they aren't passing that on. Not you. That's what I mean when I saw, Not my (consumer) responsibility. LOL, here is some old school rub I still do You can go to walmart and give them a copy of your business license and they will issue you a special card. This card you use at the register and don't pay sales tax. Essentially, you are treated as a reseller of their goods so it is your responsibility to charge sales tax to your customer on the product you bought from walmart. Of course, they don't check shit and you can use it for all your personal purchases. Just be sure to tweak your social security number a bit when filing out the business registration forms with the state. POW... save 8% |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday May 18, 2010 @ 05:41am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Why am I not surprised. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Friday May 7, 2010 @ 01:00pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Companies pay sales tax. Or at least they collect it from the consumer and report it on the sales from the store and pass it on to the states, expect of course for those states that don't have a sales tax. how is it borne by the consumer? Wait, WHAT? I have to explain to you who pays sales tax? Next time you buy something in the US, look at the receipt my friend. There's a fucking 8 point vig in California alone. Far be it for me to stave discussion intentionally (though I seem to be quite capable on accident), but I think at this point you guys are delving into semantics. You are both correct The consumer pays the sales tax, but it is the company that collects that tax on the sale and forwards it on to the government. So in this case, the seller is simply a tax collector for the state. I know that a lot of point of sale rules require that the collected money is separated at the register (hence why we don't get a receipt for $10.80, we get one for $10.00 + $0.80). This right here would be my strongest stance for collecting the sales tax at the PoS (regardless of where that register, credit machine, fat chick with a headset is). But that would lead to abuses based on finding a spot with no sales tax, setting up a fat chick with a headset in a closet office with a credit card machine, and then spreading your warehouses and business offices up wherever. The other option is that you pay sales tax based on the location of the buyer at the time of sale. Again, you run into the problem of abuses. Also, if I am TDY in KY, but while sitting in my hotel, I buy something for delivery to my home address, how would the rule apply... blah blah blah like I said, I don't have a solution If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck... |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday May 4, 2010 @ 05:47am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Not trying to be funny or push buttons, just trying to converse. You are glad Amazon gave the finger about paying tax to a state, so I'm curious if you'd feel the same if a traditional "evil company" like an oil company did the same? I guess it does sound trollish, not my intention. Like Savage said, any company that has a physical presence should pay local taxes. Chevron (the big company) probably sells the gas/oil to the smaller local stores and they pay the sales tax. The big company might not pay sales tax, but then they aren't the final sale. Chevron has its own gas stations, actually. Chevron stations. ARCO is, I think, the only big gas station chain that "buys its gas" from another supplier (BP) before selling to customers. But then to the question again: is it physical presence or final sale? What makes a substantive difference between physical presence and virtual presence for taxation purposes? Or I guess more down to the wire: why does physical presence matter? If you conduct business in a state, what is the nature of the argument that you should only support that state if you have a building there? And on a related issue, what about establishing physical presences to explicitly take advantage of things (like that article you had on MS avoiding taxes by setting up a branch in Nevada)? I'm not saying I disagree with you, I'm trying to figure out if there is a clearly defined line which makes sense. Example - if you are a resaler, you don't pay sales tax on the items that you buy from a distributor to sell. But, you do collect and pay the man for the items that are sold, in that state. If you visit somewhere and buy something, you don't report back to your home state that you paid taxes to another state for some item that you bought. In this case, people in WA pay sale tax at Amazon, because Amazon has a physical office there. People on Idaho don't (as an example) because there is no office there. People in NC don't. But NC want's Amazon to report those sales and make those people pay tax. Why would they pay taxes to one state if purchased somewhere else? As for Gas, there's other taxes on that, so I don't remember if you have a 'sales' tax on Gas or the other gas taxes on the receipt. But that was an example. And yes, I remember the MS thing, and I think that's a BS crap move, but it's within the law. In that case, MS is avoid INCOME tax to a state, not a consumer avoiding a sales tax. MS has an 'office' (read as a post box) in NV and has a large number of it's big business sales go through that office, generating income for the company, but not paying taxes since NV doesn't have corporate incoming tax. So, buy having all the purchases go through that post office box, they avoid paying incoming tax in WA, where they actually have the business. So now a state is missing out on generated income from a company that has a physical presence and does business in the state through a crap loophole. They (WA) have to provide MS the same services as other businesses but MS doesn't' give any money back. And it's not exactly a small company.. NC isn't loosing anything that it was owed, they just want more money to make ends meet and Amazon is a big target. Why only amazon and not "Jims book sales" from SC or somewhere else? "It's 'Eh', you tard." - Ghostalker |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday May 5, 2010 @ 09:23am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Example - if you are a resaler, you don't pay sales tax on the items that you buy from a distributor to sell. But, you do collect and pay the man for the items that are sold, in that state. If you visit somewhere and buy something, you don't report back to your home state that you paid taxes to another state for some item that you bought. In this case, people in WA pay sale tax at Amazon, because Amazon has a physical office there. People on Idaho don't (as an example) because there is no office there. People in NC don't. But NC want's Amazon to report those sales and make those people pay tax. Why would they pay taxes to one state if purchased somewhere else? Well I guess that's the salient point: did the NC customer buy something from Amazon "somewhere else"? I can see the argument that the NC customer sitting in his NC house on his NC computer originated his purchase in NC. I can also see the argument that the point of sale isn't where the customer is located but is where the seller is located (your POV). Of course adding the multiple steps of the internet (NC customer uses a VA based ISP, pays through CA based Paypal, who clears his credit card through a SD-based card company, who transmits to an Amazon data center in TX to Amazon's closest order fulfillment center in FL but the money goes to corporate treasury at headquarters in WA) doesn't clarify things either. Where did the purchase occur? Mail order at least had clear source and destination points. Look, I don't know which one I agree with and I'm definitely not all pro-taxes, but I don't think it's such a patently obvious answer either. As for Gas, there's other taxes on that, so I don't remember if you have a 'sales' tax on Gas or the other gas taxes on the receipt. But that was an example. Well gas is a special case, there are like a half dozen kinds of taxes imposed on it and gas sellers just incorporate all of that into the pump price. NC isn't loosing anything that it was owed, they just want more money to make ends meet and Amazon is a big target. Why only amazon and not "Jims book sales" from SC or somewhere else? You always start with the big fish. Once the courts determine which way it goes, the small fish will get in line. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by MadArab
on Monday May 3, 2010 @ 05:50am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Like Savage said, any company that has a physical presence should pay local taxes. Chevron (the big company) probably sells the gas/oil to the smaller local stores and they pay the sales tax. The big company might not pay sales tax, but then they aren't the final sale. ![]() Well, I'm glad to hear that. Listen, I've been fatally poisoned, there's probably a psychopath heading over there to torture and kill you as we speak, but don't bother getting out of bed, I'll be there in a flash... Maybe you could fry me up a waffle or something, kay? |
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Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday May 4, 2010 @ 05:51am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Like Savage said, any company that has a physical presence should pay local taxes. Chevron (the big company) probably sells the gas/oil to the smaller local stores and they pay the sales tax. The big company might not pay sales tax, but then they aren't the final sale. yup.. lots of taxes. "God damn cocksucking hoopleheads!" |
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Posted by MadArab
on Friday April 30, 2010 @ 08:01am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I know you are trying to push buttons and be funny, but I don't understand the question. Not trying to be funny or push buttons, just trying to converse. You are glad Amazon gave the finger about paying tax to a state, so I'm curious if you'd feel the same if a traditional "evil company" like an oil company did the same? I guess it does sound trollish, not my intention. I don't understand. If an oil company like Chevron is selling gas in a state, then they pay the taxes to that state. If I cross state lines to buy at Chevron, they don't pay MY state any taxes because I hopped down to get their gas. I buy most of my gas at Texaco in South Carolina because it's about 10 cents cheaper per gallon. You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Monday May 3, 2010 @ 11:20am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Not trying to be funny or push buttons, just trying to converse. You are glad Amazon gave the finger about paying tax to a state, so I'm curious if you'd feel the same if a traditional "evil company" like an oil company did the same? I guess it does sound trollish, not my intention. I don't understand. If an oil company like Chevron is selling gas in a state, then they pay the taxes to that state. If I cross state lines to buy at Chevron, they don't pay MY state any taxes because I hopped down to get their gas. I buy most of my gas at Texaco in South Carolina because it's about 10 cents cheaper per gallon. OK so Chevron should pay taxes in the state that they sell in, but Amazon shouldn't? "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday May 4, 2010 @ 05:52am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Not trying to be funny or push buttons, just trying to converse. You are glad Amazon gave the finger about paying tax to a state, so I'm curious if you'd feel the same if a traditional "evil company" like an oil company did the same? I guess it does sound trollish, not my intention. I don't understand. If an oil company like Chevron is selling gas in a state, then they pay the taxes to that state. If I cross state lines to buy at Chevron, they don't pay MY state any taxes because I hopped down to get their gas. I buy most of my gas at Texaco in South Carolina because it's about 10 cents cheaper per gallon. OK so Chevron should pay taxes in the state that they sell in, but Amazon shouldn't? Chevron has a physical presence in the state (the gas station), Amazon doesn't. "Governments and corporations need people like you and me. We are samurai. The keyboard cowboys. And all those other people out there who have no idea what's going on are the cattle. Mooo!" --Mr. The Plague, |
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Posted by MadArab
on Friday April 23, 2010 @ 11:30am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Yea, it was 7.75% and now 8.1% in Clark county. hooray for the intarwebs Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. I was reading about that.. good for Amazon for giving NC the finger. that's pretty messed up. NC already screwed us out of the affiliate program, which Amazon cancelled for NC residents due to the state making dumb demands. Some hate the English. I don't. They're just wankers. We, on the other hand, are COLONIZED by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized BY. |
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Posted by Stealth
on Monday April 26, 2010 @ 02:50am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Yea, it was 7.75% and now 8.1% in Clark county. hooray for the intarwebs Damn NC is trying to go after Amazon for residents purchases and stuff so they can tax us. Fuckers! Amazon has filed suit against the state. <3 Amazon. I was reading about that.. good for Amazon for giving NC the finger. that's pretty messed up. NC already screwed us out of the affiliate program, which Amazon cancelled for NC residents due to the state making dumb demands. When states do dumb things, I question the need for states rights over fed rights.. then when they do rights things, I'm glad that they have the ability to do something different then the fed. It's a toss up. You can try to elect different people, but maybe it's a mindset. So has the NC government put out why they are being a retard? "What has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap?" - Dr Bob Kelso, that's who |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @ 11:47am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] When states do dumb things, I question the need for states rights over fed rights.. then when they do rights things, I'm glad that they have the ability to do something different then the fed. It's a toss up. You can try to elect different people, but maybe it's a mindset. All the federal government should be is a middle-man between the states, individually, and between the union and other nations. They should be responsible for commerce (which includes many things: infrastructure, currency, regulation, standards of measure, etc), safety and defense, common citizen/human rights, and a few other things. That's it. There is almost* no time that a federal body ought to be able to trump a state body in my view. If the great state of Wyoming decides to tax its residents 20% on Amazon purchases, what do you care? The residents of Wyoming elected those legislators so now they can suck it up or vote the bums out. In the same way, North Carolina's politics don't make one iota of difference to me except in my empathy for friends who live there. But when a federal body gets involved, it's a whoooooooooole different ball of wax. That's why you can have some corn shucker from Iowa hold up entire Congressional processes (by being coy with his "swing vote" on some issue) because his state ain't gettin' represented. Frankly our current system is embarrassing as it has evolved from inception. * hedging here since I'm sure there are occasional examples "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by Stealth
on Thursday April 29, 2010 @ 06:52am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] When states do dumb things, I question the need for states rights over fed rights.. then when they do rights things, I'm glad that they have the ability to do something different then the fed. It's a toss up. You can try to elect different people, but maybe it's a mindset. All the federal government should be is a middle-man between the states, individually, and between the union and other nations. They should be responsible for commerce (which includes many things: infrastructure, currency, regulation, standards of measure, etc), safety and defense, common citizen/human rights, and a few other things. That's it. There is almost* no time that a federal body ought to be able to trump a state body in my view. If the great state of Wyoming decides to tax its residents 20% on Amazon purchases, what do you care? The residents of Wyoming elected those legislators so now they can suck it up or vote the bums out. In the same way, North Carolina's politics don't make one iota of difference to me except in my empathy for friends who live there. But when a federal body gets involved, it's a whoooooooooole different ball of wax. That's why you can have some corn shucker from Iowa hold up entire Congressional processes (by being coy with his "swing vote" on some issue) because his state ain't gettin' represented. Frankly our current system is embarrassing as it has evolved from inception. * hedging here since I'm sure there are occasional examples I agree and your post makes complete sense. I agree with your opinion. Let the states have more control then the fed. My post above was more in general and not specific in this particular instance, since the Fed isn't getting involved in the NC bit. As for people voting others into office.. I can promise the world, you can elect me then i can lie about it all. Do all states have the ability to vote people out of office? Is it an easy/fixable solution? Politicians have gone so far from serving the people to serving themselves (or the businesses that give them money) that the whole idea of honesty and truth in politics is a crock. And it's not just a US problem, the country of Belgium just basically lost their 3rd government in 5 years. Holland is without one or was recently, they just had another election. I don't understand how it works, but it's crazy. "[Sigh] - I hate you Kenny" -- Cartman |
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Posted by voltaic
on Friday April 30, 2010 @ 07:30am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] My post above was more in general and not specific in this particular instance, since the Fed isn't getting involved in the NC bit. As for people voting others into office.. I can promise the world, you can elect me then i can lie about it all. Do all states have the ability to vote people out of office? Is it an easy/fixable solution? Politicians have gone so far from serving the people to serving themselves (or the businesses that give them money) that the whole idea of honesty and truth in politics is a crock. Well, voting someone out really just means not re-electing them next time it comes up. I don't know if every state has recall/referendum process in place, but that's such an inane and expensive thing (as CA, once again, leads the nation in demonstrating how stupid we are). I don't think all politicians are totally in the pockets of business or themselves. I'm a cynical old grump, but even that's a bit too far for me. ;) "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Posted by MadArab
on Monday April 26, 2010 @ 05:59am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] NC already screwed us out of the affiliate program, which Amazon cancelled for NC residents due to the state making dumb demands. When states do dumb things, I question the need for states rights over fed rights.. then when they do rights things, I'm glad that they have the ability to do something different then the fed. It's a toss up. You can try to elect different people, but maybe it's a mindset. So has the NC government put out why they are being a retard? This article is pretty good: http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=479651 Every consumer knows that shopping online can be a handy way to avoid paying sales tax on books, CDs and electronics. But not nearly as many know that they're still supposed to pay tax on these purchases. That's something Colorado, North Carolina and other states, desperate for revenue, want to change. But by taking steps to collect what many have simply begun calling the ?Amazon tax,? the states have ignited a tax war with the huge online retailer that is the primary target of their efforts. In February, Colorado passed a law requiring Amazon.com and other Internet retailers to mail notices to customers reminding them of their tax liabilities. Amazon responded by shutting down its affiliate program in Colorado, effectively closing thousands of small businesses that were marketing Amazon's products over the Web. Then, last week, Amazon sued North Carolina after the state's department of revenue asked the company to turn over the names and addresses of its North Carolina customers ? information the state would need if it were to try to collect unpaid taxes. With as many as 15 more cash-strapped states weighing whether to pass Amazon taxes of their own, there's a lot of interest in seeing how that case, as well as a related case in New York State, turn out. The disputes in Colorado and North Carolina are only the latest twists in the fight over Internet sales taxes. Opponents of taxing the sales of Amazon and other Web-based retailers say such measures are a misguided attempt at recouping additional revenue without having to raise taxes. Further, a Tax Foundation report released last month questioned how much money it would actually bring in. Still, the states say it's not just money they're after but fairness: Main Street retailers have to collect sales taxes, and leaving the Internet as a tax-free shopping zone puts them at a disadvantage. The 'physical presence' test While this has been an especially hot issue in the past few years, the debate goes back to 1992. That's when the U.S. Supreme Court said that states could not force retailers to collect taxes for them unless the retailers had a physical presence, or ?nexus,? in the state. The court's reasoning was simple. There are just too many states, counties and cities using too many different tax rates and rules to expect retailers to keep track of it all. The case, called Quill v. North Dakota, involved a company that engaged in mail-order sales. But it underpins the taxation of e-commerce, as well. As online retail sales ? and all the lost revenues associated with them ? became too big for states to ignore, dozens of states set out to simplify their sales tax rules. By making it easier for companies to collect the tax, the states hoped, more retailers would be willing to do it for them. Some retailers, especially ones with a lot of physical outlets, such as Barnes & Noble and Target, agreed. Amazon did not. The company collects taxes only for Washington State and a few others where it has offices or some other physical presence. In 2008, New York State tried a new approach. Amazon was doing a growing amount of business through its affiliates program, which pays people across the country to market Amazon goods on their own Web sites. The Legislature figured that because some of those affiliates are based in New York, the state could make a case that Amazon and other sites using the same business model, such as Overstock.com, had nexus there. The bill that Governor David Paterson signed into law was the first to be called an Amazon tax, although technically, it wasn't a new tax so much as an attempt to wring more revenue out of existing sales and use taxes. It worked: New York estimates that its law yielded $70 million in the 2009-10 fiscal year, from 30 Internet companies. But Amazon also sued New York over its law, disputing that its affiliates amounted to a real physical presence in the state. A court ruled against the company, but it has appealed that decision. In the meantime, Rhode Island and North Carolina followed New York's lead, passing similar laws saying that operating an Amazon-style affiliate program creates nexus in their states. This time, Amazon struck back in a different way: It simply shut down its affiliate programs there. While residents in both states still can buy goods from Amazon, Rhode Island has acknowledged that its Amazon tax has not produced any revenue. Frank T. Caprio, Rhode Island's treasurer and a candidate for governor, has called for repealing the law on the grounds that it's hurting the small businesses that used to rely on Amazon for their livelihoods. By the time Colorado took up the issue in February, officials there had come to see New York's nexus approach as a dead end. Initially, they sought to mirror New York. But a House Finance Committee hearing in Denver saw an outpouring of protest by in-state affiliates. At the hearing, at least 20 participants in the Amazon program waited until almost midnight to voice their opposition, saying such a move ? particularly if it caused Amazon to sever ties ? would devastate their businesses. Lawmakers responded by trying something new. The bill's in the mail Rather than go after Amazon directly, they decided to educate consumers about their tax obligations when they shop online. The law, signed by Governor Bill Ritter, requires Amazon and others to mail yearly notices to their Colorado customers, telling them the total amount of purchases on which they still owe tax. (The same information is to be reported to the state department of revenue.) The notices are to be mailed by January 31, when taxpayers receive other important tax forms in the mail, and are to be sent in envelopes that say ?Important Tax Document Enclosed.? ?We just threw out the whole [New York] approach and said, ?What can we do to encourage compliance on the purchaser side??? says Phil Horowitz, director of the state revenue department?s office of tax policy analysis. We ?were trying to figure out how to make it effective but still protect the affiliates.? Amazon didn't see it that way, and shut down its affiliate program in Colorado. ?The regulations are burdensome,? Amazon explained in an e-mail to the affiliates. Colorado's move is ?clearly intended to increase the compliance burden to a point where online retailers will be induced to 'voluntarily' collect Colorado sales tax ? a course we won't take.? North Carolina is the one state that is mixing both the New York and Colorado approaches to the Amazon tax. So far, it hasn't had much luck. Its law claiming that Amazon has nexus in North Carolina only resulted in Amazon shutting down the affiliates program there. More recently, the state's department of revenue asked Amazon to produce the names and addresses of North Carolina customers and the amount they've spent with Amazon going back to 2003. On April 20, Amazon sued the state, saying that the request would violate its customers' privacy. The case is to be heard in a federal court in Seattle, where Amazon is based. Despite the legal squabbles in the states that have sought to recoup revenue from online sales and the strategies they?ve sought to employ, the varying types of laws and enforcement could have the unintended effect of forcing states and retailers to come together, says Harley Duncan, state and local tax managing director with KPMG's Washington National Tax practice. Retailers will have to consider possible effects on their businesses from either turning over customer information or the burden of collecting tax dollars for the government. Meanwhile, states will have to weigh whether calculating and collecting specific tax bills from citizens is a worthwhile venture. ?Maybe that loosens the gears a bit,? Duncan says of discussions between two parties that have yet to see eye to eye on much of anything. Indeed, Sujit CanagaRetna, senior fiscal analyst with the Southern Office of the Council of State Governments says with states? current budget crises, it?s likely more will take aim at these largely untaxed transactions. Still, he says, the issue points to a larger flaw in the country?s tax system ? one that?s still based on agriculture and manufacturing rather than services. ?This is an issue that has to be dealt with,? he says. ?Basically, to avoid running a 20th-century tax system in a 21st-century economy.? Personality, I mean that's what counts, right? That's what keeps a relationship going through the years. Like heroin, I mean heroin's got a great fucking personality. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Monday April 26, 2010 @ 06:08am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] NC already screwed us out of the affiliate program, which Amazon cancelled for NC residents due to the state making dumb demands. When states do dumb things, I question the need for states rights over fed rights.. then when they do rights things, I'm glad that they have the ability to do something different then the fed. It's a toss up. You can try to elect different people, but maybe it's a mindset. So has the NC government put out why they are being a retard? This article is pretty good: That's a tough call. The states need to fix their budget issues and learn to spend the money better, get more bang for the buck.. because for all the taxes that the average person pays, it seems like there is never enough. Going after new streams of revenue isn't going to solve the problem and asking Amazon to do the legwork, submit tax records and information is crap. Oregon doesn't have sales tax.. and those people that live in WA and CA and shop in OR are 'supposed' to pay taxes on the stuff they buy there.. guess how many actually do?.. right. And you don't see CA and WA all up in arms about it. "Steve Jobs can't even fucking give away money without making money" -- Slashdot post |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 28, 2010 @ 11:50am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] That's a tough call. The states need to fix their budget issues and learn to spend the money better, get more bang for the buck.. because for all the taxes that the average person pays, it seems like there is never enough. Going after new streams of revenue isn't going to solve the problem and asking Amazon to do the legwork, submit tax records and information is crap. Spend less. That's it. Governments (state and federal) need to spend less. There is no other solution to where we are at now. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Thursday April 29, 2010 @ 06:54am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] That's a tough call. The states need to fix their budget issues and learn to spend the money better, get more bang for the buck.. because for all the taxes that the average person pays, it seems like there is never enough. Going after new streams of revenue isn't going to solve the problem and asking Amazon to do the legwork, submit tax records and information is crap. Spend less. That's it. Governments (state and federal) need to spend less. There is no other solution to where we are at now. To spend less you have to change the programs and services that are offered. Where do you spend less? The problem with that phrase is that it's taken to cutback the programs themselves, not the administration or overhead of programs. God formed a government try and streamline itself to do more with less and remove some of the extra waste. that's what needs to be looked at. "No training? To go to bed with a man and lie to him? She's a woman. She's got all the training she needs." |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Friday April 30, 2010 @ 07:43am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] To spend less you have to change the programs and services that are offered. Where do you spend less? The problem with that phrase is that it's taken to cutback the programs themselves, not the administration or overhead of programs. God formed a government try and streamline itself to do more with less and remove some of the extra waste. that's what needs to be looked at. There are so many ways to spend less that it's hard to know where to start. (as a side note: I also don't know WTF that was supposed to say) "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Thursday April 29, 2010 @ 09:15am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] God formed a government try and streamline itself to do more with less and remove some of the extra waste. that's what needs to be looked at. I don't think religion and politics should ever mix. it was on fire when I got here |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Thursday April 29, 2010 @ 03:19pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] God formed a government try and streamline itself to do more with less and remove some of the extra waste. that's what needs to be looked at. I don't think religion and politics should ever mix. I have no idea about that last line. Wow. WTF was I trying to say there.. wow. "Stuff sold by the gram is always going to be more exciting than stuff sold by the pound" - J. Clarkson |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Friday April 30, 2010 @ 12:48am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] God formed a government try and streamline itself to do more with less and remove some of the extra waste. that's what needs to be looked at. I don't think religion and politics should ever mix. I have no idea about that last line. Wow. WTF was I trying to say there.. wow. I have no idea. Come and see the violence inherent in the sysadmin! |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Friday April 30, 2010 @ 01:39am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] God formed a government try and streamline itself to do more with less and remove some of the extra waste. that's what needs to be looked at. I don't think religion and politics should ever mix. I have no idea about that last line. Wow. WTF was I trying to say there.. wow. I have no idea. I don't know either, if that helps All the known world, excepting only savage nations, is governed by books. --Voltaire |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Friday April 30, 2010 @ 05:45am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] God formed a government try and streamline itself to do more with less and remove some of the extra waste. that's what needs to be looked at. I don't think religion and politics should ever mix. I have no idea about that last line. Wow. WTF was I trying to say there.. wow. I have no idea. I don't know either, if that helps It assures me that my confusion as to the meaning behind Stealth's post is not without merit. "Trippin' our brains off, killing kids, raping women...Viet-fucking-Nam! God I fucking miss it!" 'When were you in Vietnam?' "'93, come to think of it, maybe it wasn't even Vietnam. Maybe it was South Philly." |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by MadArab
on Monday April 26, 2010 @ 06:02am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] What's the deal with all the quotes being replaced with question marks? You haven't been tight since your brother fucked you in third grade. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Monday April 26, 2010 @ 06:11am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] What's the deal with all the quotes being replaced with question marks? depends on how the quote was written. if it's " it's fine, but it could have been `` or some alt-code for quote in the html you copied.. "Second most successful robbery; the Flamingo in '71. This guy actually tasted fresh oxygen before they grabbed him. Of course, he was breathing out of a hose for the next three weeks. God damn hippie!" - Elliott Gould |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Monday April 5, 2010 @ 04:37pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I could be dense, but I couldn't figure out how to move messages. I can open folders and all that, but sorting is a different question. Maybe if I get some free time and have nothing better to do I'll see about maybe making a cool little app and figure out a way to do IMAP folders. I think the demand is niche though as most people are using webmail or something. My phone if I hit menu, there is a "Move to folder" menu option. Yewah, that's what I wasn't seeing on mine. But then again, I can mail someone at another domain, so I win this round. :-) Oddly enough it just started working again. No idea why my phone was wigging out. Probably because Palm sucks. Next phone will be an Android based phone. Since my N1 disappeared during my trip a few weekends back, I've been debating which android phone to get (since I don't have to worry about carrier frequency bullshit). I liked the N1 speed (over my Hero - OMG it's slow) but I like the hardware buttons on the Hero. I don't mind not having a physical keyboard, but it would be nice. regardless, it's nice to have choices and know that the software will work across all of them. I've started becoming less attached to the whole keyboard thing as well. I hated the touchscreen up until about a week ago. I still don't like iphones, but I was able to manipulate the fairly easily. With as much hate as I have for the blackberry right now, I'm pretty open. Needless to say, I have been following all of you guys' trials and tribs on your various phones lately. To be honest, as I had mentioned before, I might just go back to a standard env2. That really was a decent phone. Soon, it will be a sin for parents to have a child which carries the heavy burden of genetic disease. --Bob Edwards |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Wednesday April 14, 2010 @ 12:20pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I could be dense, but I couldn't figure out how to move messages. I can open folders and all that, but sorting is a different question. Maybe if I get some free time and have nothing better to do I'll see about maybe making a cool little app and figure out a way to do IMAP folders. I think the demand is niche though as most people are using webmail or something. My phone if I hit menu, there is a "Move to folder" menu option. Yewah, that's what I wasn't seeing on mine. But then again, I can mail someone at another domain, so I win this round. :-) Oddly enough it just started working again. No idea why my phone was wigging out. Probably because Palm sucks. Next phone will be an Android based phone. Since my N1 disappeared during my trip a few weekends back, I've been debating which android phone to get (since I don't have to worry about carrier frequency bullshit). I liked the N1 speed (over my Hero - OMG it's slow) but I like the hardware buttons on the Hero. I don't mind not having a physical keyboard, but it would be nice. regardless, it's nice to have choices and know that the software will work across all of them. I've started becoming less attached to the whole keyboard thing as well. I hated the touchscreen up until about a week ago. I still don't like iphones, but I was able to manipulate the fairly easily. With as much hate as I have for the blackberry right now, I'm pretty open. Needless to say, I have been following all of you guys' trials and tribs on your various phones lately. To be honest, as I had mentioned before, I might just go back to a standard env2. That really was a decent phone. The BB will always be my fallback. The OS is damn near rock stable and they have some great apps out now for it (gmail, maps, etc). But, I a total android fan now. It's fantastic. The app store really is a big bonus and the Android support is going up on a regular basis. And it's not locked like the Apple stuff. but, there are still some better apps on the iphone and I know that normally they will get the good apps first. Oh well. "Never, never, interrupt me, okay? Not if there's a fire, not even if you hear the sound of a thud from my home, and one week later there's a smell coming from there that can only be a decaying human body and you have to hold a hanky to your face because the stench is so thick that you think you're going to faint. Even then, don't come knocking!" - Jack Nicholson |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by MadArab
on Thursday April 8, 2010 @ 09:00am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I've started becoming less attached to the whole keyboard thing as well. I hated the touchscreen up until about a week ago. I still don't like iphones, but I was able to manipulate the fairly easily. With as much hate as I have for the blackberry right now, I'm pretty open. Needless to say, I have been following all of you guys' trials and tribs on your various phones lately. To be honest, as I had mentioned before, I might just go back to a standard env2. That really was a decent phone. I have somewhat of a love/hate relationship with my iPhone. Eventually I imagine I'll use an Android based phone... but not yet. Personality, I mean that's what counts, right? That's what keeps a relationship going through the years. Like heroin, I mean heroin's got a great fucking personality. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Wednesday April 14, 2010 @ 12:20pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Come to the Green side! |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Thursday April 8, 2010 @ 09:41pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I've started becoming less attached to the whole keyboard thing as well. I hated the touchscreen up until about a week ago. I still don't like iphones, but I was able to manipulate the fairly easily. With as much hate as I have for the blackberry right now, I'm pretty open. Needless to say, I have been following all of you guys' trials and tribs on your various phones lately. To be honest, as I had mentioned before, I might just go back to a standard env2. That really was a decent phone. I have somewhat of a love/hate relationship with my iPhone. Eventually I imagine I'll use an Android based phone... but not yet. are you an app guy? That's really the only thing I was impressed with. You have to admire the sheer magnitude of crap available out there (most of which is crap, but still). My secretary asked for an iPad today. She absolutely despises the netbooks, so I figured I'd look into it. $700+ for the 3G version, but they allow you to pay piecemeal for data, no contract. No flash, book reader is proprietary, no multi-tasking, etcetcetc... all turned me off though. I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am... |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 7, 2010 @ 07:18am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I've started becoming less attached to the whole keyboard thing as well. I hated the touchscreen up until about a week ago. I still don't like iphones, but I was able to manipulate the fairly easily. With as much hate as I have for the blackberry right now, I'm pretty open. Needless to say, I have been following all of you guys' trials and tribs on your various phones lately. To be honest, as I had mentioned before, I might just go back to a standard env2. That really was a decent phone. I would still have my old NV2 (with all its quirks) except for bringing up Google maps. Seriously, that was the one thing I wanted. Everything else (music player, internet, etc) is just a bonus. But I spend so much time now in cities where I don't know where stuff is, that the ability to bring up a map is invaluable. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Thursday April 8, 2010 @ 09:36pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I've started becoming less attached to the whole keyboard thing as well. I hated the touchscreen up until about a week ago. I still don't like iphones, but I was able to manipulate the fairly easily. With as much hate as I have for the blackberry right now, I'm pretty open. Needless to say, I have been following all of you guys' trials and tribs on your various phones lately. To be honest, as I had mentioned before, I might just go back to a standard env2. That really was a decent phone. I would still have my old NV2 (with all its quirks) except for bringing up Google maps. Seriously, that was the one thing I wanted. Everything else (music player, internet, etc) is just a bonus. But I spend so much time now in cities where I don't know where stuff is, that the ability to bring up a map is invaluable. Just found out today that they are upgrading my blackberry at work. If it is even a moderate upgrade from the hunks of crap I have now (I have an old curve for work and the pearl for personal), then I won't really need a second smartphone for travel. That will save me some of your headaches there. My big issues are personal email capability and a decent camera (since I have taken to snapping action pics of the baby girl when we are out and about). We will see, this new revelation today about the upgrade has kind of got me anxious. That would seriously save me a lot of trouble if the phone turns out to be even remotely usable. Land of the free, Home of the Brave* *some restrictions apply, void where prohibited |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Wednesday April 14, 2010 @ 12:22pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I've started becoming less attached to the whole keyboard thing as well. I hated the touchscreen up until about a week ago. I still don't like iphones, but I was able to manipulate the fairly easily. With as much hate as I have for the blackberry right now, I'm pretty open. Needless to say, I have been following all of you guys' trials and tribs on your various phones lately. To be honest, as I had mentioned before, I might just go back to a standard env2. That really was a decent phone. I would still have my old NV2 (with all its quirks) except for bringing up Google maps. Seriously, that was the one thing I wanted. Everything else (music player, internet, etc) is just a bonus. But I spend so much time now in cities where I don't know where stuff is, that the ability to bring up a map is invaluable. Just found out today that they are upgrading my blackberry at work. If it is even a moderate upgrade from the hunks of crap I have now (I have an old curve for work and the pearl for personal), then I won't really need a second smartphone for travel. That will save me some of your headaches there. My big issues are personal email capability and a decent camera (since I have taken to snapping action pics of the baby girl when we are out and about). We will see, this new revelation today about the upgrade has kind of got me anxious. That would seriously save me a lot of trouble if the phone turns out to be even remotely usable. Well, assuming it's not verizon, so either t-mobile or at&t.. i would guess probably the 8900, 9000 or something newer. They (DoD) probably require a real keyboard for the security bits, so don't plan on that. And they will probably give you the camera as long as the deice encryption is enabled (that's how ours here are setup). But if you are on VNZ at home, they you still need two devices. "[Sigh] - I hate you Kenny" -- Cartman |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Wednesday March 24, 2010 @ 06:26pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Ok, fixed the SSL server certificates, so you can use SSL with all the protocols: Can we make this a Sticky.. or have like a notes paged for signed in users so we don't have to search for this over and over? Cool beans. Thanks. What do you think this is, VBBS? Bookmark it bitch.. heh.. BTW - VOLT! - User these settings with the server 'thcnet.net' and SSL and you can check your THC over your 'Droid phone. :-) It doesn't support imap folders very well at all, so you can read/respond, but message/folder management would have to happen at a later time. Hah! One thing my Pre does better... though I can't send now.. I get an odd error that flashes away to be replaced by an error that says it didn't work. I think it's a bug in webos though. can someone verify that sending from their phone works so I know the right thing to troubleshoot? I fucking rule. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Friday March 26, 2010 @ 12:20pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] BTW - VOLT! - User these settings with the server 'thcnet.net' and SSL and you can check your THC over your 'Droid phone. :-) It doesn't support imap folders very well at all, so you can read/respond, but message/folder management would have to happen at a later time. Hah! One thing my Pre does better... though I can't send now.. I get an odd error that flashes away to be replaced by an error that says it didn't work. I think it's a bug in webos though. can someone verify that sending from their phone works so I know the right thing to troubleshoot? Not exactly a ringing endorsement. :P "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @ 12:59pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] BTW - VOLT! - User these settings with the server 'thcnet.net' and SSL and you can check your THC over your 'Droid phone. :-) It doesn't support imap folders very well at all, so you can read/respond, but message/folder management would have to happen at a later time. Hah! One thing my Pre does better... though I can't send now.. I get an odd error that flashes away to be replaced by an error that says it didn't work. I think it's a bug in webos though. can someone verify that sending from their phone works so I know the right thing to troubleshoot? Not exactly a ringing endorsement. :P And for that matter.. I was able to test it and send mail to outside domains with no problem. So.. yeah Android! BTW - Volt - you get your OTA update yet? "> In practice this is an engineering problem You misspelled "fundamental limit of thermodynamics" -- Slashdot post |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Thursday April 1, 2010 @ 07:27am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] BTW - Volt - you get your OTA update yet? I don't know what that is. Droid OS? If so, then no. Is there a way to request "pull" it down or is it pushed by the service? Note: talking about once it's live, not hax0ring in advance. ;) I sing. I dance. I am a simple man. "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Saturday March 27, 2010 @ 01:48am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] BTW - VOLT! - User these settings with the server 'thcnet.net' and SSL and you can check your THC over your 'Droid phone. :-) It doesn't support imap folders very well at all, so you can read/respond, but message/folder management would have to happen at a later time. Hah! One thing my Pre does better... though I can't send now.. I get an odd error that flashes away to be replaced by an error that says it didn't work. I think it's a bug in webos though. can someone verify that sending from their phone works so I know the right thing to troubleshoot? Not exactly a ringing endorsement. :P Yea, I wouldn't buy a Pre, knowing what I know now. "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @ 01:04pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Not exactly a ringing endorsement. :P Yea, I wouldn't buy a Pre, knowing what I know now. What would you pick up? "You know what it reminds me of, you know what it reminds me of? Oh yeah.. a complete waste of time" - Dave Letterman |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @ 12:37am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Not exactly a ringing endorsement. :P Yea, I wouldn't buy a Pre, knowing what I know now. What would you pick up? Probably a droid. Has the keyboard. "Trippin' our brains off, killing kids, raping women...Viet-fucking-Nam! God I fucking miss it!" 'When were you in Vietnam?' "'93, come to think of it, maybe it wasn't even Vietnam. Maybe it was South Philly." |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Tuesday March 30, 2010 @ 06:24pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Not exactly a ringing endorsement. :P Yea, I wouldn't buy a Pre, knowing what I know now. What would you pick up? I'm actually thinking of ditching the smartphone thing... I really don't justify its use outside of work. Hell, if I could get away with it, I'd get a $0.99 phone and just forward everything over to my work phone and be done with it... If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck... |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Wednesday March 31, 2010 @ 05:58am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Not exactly a ringing endorsement. :P Yea, I wouldn't buy a Pre, knowing what I know now. What would you pick up? I'm actually thinking of ditching the smartphone thing... I really don't justify its use outside of work. Hell, if I could get away with it, I'd get a $0.99 phone and just forward everything over to my work phone and be done with it... Well, ask Volt if he like his smartphone now, instead of the normal phone he had before. In another thread he was a fan of a phone being a phone and that's it. He might have another opinion now that he's had one for a month or two. Me - it's a great GREAT tool. maps, gps, mail, contacts, all that all in one small package and I don't have to remember to do something until i get home to get on a computer to do it. Hell, I was out at a job site and needed to make a change to something back in the office, connected the smart phone over wifi and used that GRPS connection and a VPN to get back to the main office. you can't do that with a normal phone. It's the bomb. Totally worth it in my opinion. And, sadly enough, my Nexus got misplaced/stolen/lost in Spain last weekend so I'm back on my Hero and missing it already. I might look at the Milestone/Droid and see if that keyboard really is that much of a help. "[Sigh] - I hate you Kenny" -- Cartman |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Thursday April 1, 2010 @ 07:30am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Well, ask Volt if he like his smartphone now, instead of the normal phone he had before. In another thread he was a fan of a phone being a phone and that's it. He might have another opinion now that he's had one for a month or two. It's goddamn fantastic. Although I am far less of a power-user than you guys would be with all your fancy VPN SSH ABC whatever. I mostly got it because it had basic phone functionality (including text messages), internet access (primarily Google maps), and music (so I don't have to carry my iPod). "Wow... that's... ZZZzzzzz" - madarab |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 10:03pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Looks like pop-before-smtp is working. Still can't send from my phone for some reason, but that may be because sprint is blocking outbound port 25 traffic, as well they should. Ok, fixed the SSL server certificates, so you can use SSL with all the protocols: I tested it with Thunderbird. I've yet to test if the smtp over ssl is working on my phone, since I left the phone at home on the nightstand. PinePGP is also working. I am happily getting mail to my desktop... so sweet Good, Bad... I'm the one with the gun |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 11:01pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I am happily getting mail to my desktop... so sweet Oh crap. Let me break it real quick. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Wednesday April 11, 2007 @ 07:55am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I am happily getting mail to my desktop... so sweet Oh crap. Let me break it real quick. relax man, its only a matter of time anyway ;) Land of the free, Home of the Brave* *some restrictions apply, void where prohibited |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 02:49pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Looks like pop-before-smtp is working. Still can't send from my phone for some reason, but that may be because sprint is blocking outbound port 25 traffic, as well they should. Ok, fixed the SSL server certificates, so you can use SSL with all the protocols: What was wrong with the certs? I'm glad it wasn't just me being a tool. It was really driving me crazy why it would word in one app but not in others. Nice! Thanks... now to remember my gpg password (i hate my memory some times). |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 06:43pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] What was wrong with the certs? I'm glad it wasn't just me being a tool. It was really driving me crazy why it would word in one app but not in others. Nice! They were just the ones that were auto-generated. I used the same cert that thcnet.net uses, so that would be the address you would want to hit. Thanks... now to remember my gpg password (i hate my memory some times). A PostIt note on your monitor is a secure way to remember that. But really you're suppose to use a pass-phrase. As far as remembering passwords, well I remember my pass-phrase, and then the slew of passwords to different systems I need to remember is encrypted in my email. "You'll never get dressed as quick as when you wake up next to a naked dead chick." -- Ron Bennington |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Wednesday April 11, 2007 @ 02:25pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Thanks... now to remember my gpg password (i hate my memory some times). A PostIt note on your monitor is a secure way to remember that. But really you're suppose to use a pass-phrase. As far as remembering passwords, well I remember my pass-phrase, and then the slew of passwords to different systems I need to remember is encrypted in my email. well I did use a phrase.. it's a phrase that i normally use then i tossed something on the end and well.. somewhere i mistyped it twice. arrg. I'm working on it. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 11, 2007 @ 04:14pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I did the same thing. It's a phrase from a song. I know the band and album, but don't know the song or phrase or anything else. And whenever I listen to the album, I'm not dialed in concentrating on it. :( You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Monday April 16, 2007 @ 08:09am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I did the same thing. It's a phrase from a song. I know the band and album, but don't know the song or phrase or anything else. And whenever I listen to the album, I'm not dialed in concentrating on it. :( sometimes i think it would be easier to just give blood or something.. i mean caps/no caps/caps-lock.. starting capital letters. .it's so confusing. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Monday April 16, 2007 @ 06:27pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I did the same thing. It's a phrase from a song. I know the band and album, but don't know the song or phrase or anything else. And whenever I listen to the album, I'm not dialed in concentrating on it. :( sometimes i think it would be easier to just give blood or something.. i mean caps/no caps/caps-lock.. starting capital letters. .it's so confusing. Well you could provide everyone with RSA security tokens I suppose. But usually when I pick a password/pass-phrase, I make sure to type it a few times to one make sure that it's something that can be typed quickly/naturally, and to help me remember it. I put quite a bit of thought into choosing my passwords, since I have to type them so damn many times daily, not to mention there are quite a few to remember. Speaking of passwords, talking to Lynn, I'm thinking of adding OpenID to thcnet. It looks pretty cool actually. I'll have it setup where you can either use THCNET as your openid server, or you can reference another OpenID server to authenticate. I have to finish some other bits of code first, before I get side tracked on yet another feature to code, but it'll probably be a couple releases out, since I've been meaning to make some improvements to the user records anyway. "When life gives you lemons, you run into a school with a gun and grenades and start shooting people..." -rb |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Monday April 16, 2007 @ 07:54pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I did the same thing. It's a phrase from a song. I know the band and album, but don't know the song or phrase or anything else. And whenever I listen to the album, I'm not dialed in concentrating on it. :( sometimes i think it would be easier to just give blood or something.. i mean caps/no caps/caps-lock.. starting capital letters. .it's so confusing. Well you could provide everyone with RSA security tokens I suppose. But usually when I pick a password/pass-phrase, I make sure to type it a few times to one make sure that it's something that can be typed quickly/naturally, and to help me remember it. I put quite a bit of thought into choosing my passwords, since I have to type them so damn many times daily, not to mention there are quite a few to remember. Speaking of passwords, talking to Lynn, I'm thinking of adding OpenID to thcnet. It looks pretty cool actually. I'll have it setup where you can either use THCNET as your openid server, or you can reference another OpenID server to authenticate. I have to finish some other bits of code first, before I get side tracked on yet another feature to code, but it'll probably be a couple releases out, since I've been meaning to make some improvements to the user records anyway. out of genuine curiosity, I'm pretty sure stealth has one, but do they have you guys use CAC authorizations at work? I personally love the concept of beating the shit out of something and getting candy in return... Pure Genius |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday April 17, 2007 @ 07:09am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] out of genuine curiosity, I'm pretty sure stealth has one, but do they have you guys use CAC authorizations at work? They've put in some stupid Contractor Verification System bullshit that is not delaying my ability to get my card renewed. What used to take 5 steps for contractors is now like 10 to 12 steps.. and the system isn't even up all the time. Big yeah for the government. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Monday April 16, 2007 @ 08:08pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] out of genuine curiosity, I'm pretty sure stealth has one, but do they have you guys use CAC authorizations at work? Our security group bought a bunch of RSA tokens, but they haven't issued them yet. "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday April 17, 2007 @ 07:06am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] out of genuine curiosity, I'm pretty sure stealth has one, but do they have you guys use CAC authorizations at work? Our security group bought a bunch of RSA tokens, but they haven't issued them yet. Well, the Army in it's infinite wisdom decided that it was more important to make the GENERAL users accounts two factor and leave the admin accounts with just password/username. Plus, the CAC only has a 6-9 digit requirement, that ISN'T required to be changed every 3 months. I heard they wanted to purchase some of the RSA key-fobs for the domain admin accounts but that hasn't gone through yet. So yeah.. normal joe blow accounts.. two factor authentication. AD admin rights that can talk to a DC.. username/password. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Tuesday April 17, 2007 @ 06:53pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Well, the Army in it's infinite wisdom decided that it was more important to make the GENERAL users accounts two factor and leave the admin accounts with just password/username. Plus, the CAC only has a 6-9 digit requirement, that ISN'T required to be changed every 3 months. I heard they wanted to purchase some of the RSA key-fobs for the domain admin accounts but that hasn't gone through yet. So yeah.. normal joe blow accounts.. two factor authentication. AD admin rights that can talk to a DC.. username/password. That's smarts. I hate this place. nothing works here. the medications don't work. I've been here for seven years. I hate this place. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Sunday April 8, 2007 @ 03:31am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Both those mean SquirrelMail is up and running. When I go to https://thcnet.net/mail/ or https://thcnet.net/mail/src/login.php I receive this message without even getting a login prompt: ERROR Error connecting to IMAP server: tls://snowcrash.thcnet.net. 111 : Connection refused Go to the login page Also: when I launch pine, I still have not received anything including spam, since Thursday. Should I still be using pine or did the change to maildir mean I have to use something else? You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Sunday April 8, 2007 @ 07:01pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Both those mean SquirrelMail is up and running. When I go to https://thcnet.net/mail/ or https://thcnet.net/mail/src/login.php I receive this message without even getting a login prompt: ERROR Error connecting to IMAP server: tls://snowcrash.thcnet.net. 111 : Connection refused Go to the login page That means it's working. Actually I had to restart the server when I was messing with ssh and forgot I had not added dovecot to the default startup scripts. It's up now. Also: when I launch pine, I still have not received anything including spam, since Thursday. Should I still be using pine or did the change to maildir mean I have to use something else? Odd, because I tried pine under your account and I see a fuck ton of lvlug email. But then I showed that you've also never logged into the server. Stealth has, my friend Pin (nomayomustard), but you haven't. The mail is on the new server, not the old one. "I'll fucking knock Steven Hawking out of that stupid chair. Then i'll say 'now who's smart? now who's fucking smart?'" -- Ron Bennington |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Monday April 9, 2007 @ 02:32am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] ERROR That means it's working. Interesting point of view. Heheh. Odd, because I tried pine under your account and I see a fuck ton of lvlug email. But then I showed that you've also never logged into the server. Stealth has, my friend Pin (nomayomustard), but you haven't. The mail is on the new server, not the old one. Well I SSH'ed to thcnet.net and was given a new SSH key. I thought this would pretty much indicate "new server". Maybe not. I don't specify a subdomain name though so maybe I should? You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Monday April 9, 2007 @ 01:48pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] ERROR That means it's working. Interesting point of view. Heheh. I dare you to find fault in my logic. Odd, because I tried pine under your account and I see a fuck ton of lvlug email. But then I showed that you've also never logged into the server. Stealth has, my friend Pin (nomayomustard), but you haven't. The mail is on the new server, not the old one. Well I SSH'ed to thcnet.net and was given a new SSH key. I thought this would pretty much indicate "new server". Maybe not. I don't specify a subdomain name though so maybe I should? The prompt reading snowcrash instead of lagos would indicated the new server. The A record for thcnet.net is the same as the A record for snowcrash.thcnet.net. It shouldn't make any difference. If you got to the web site, then that same address goes to the new server (apache is not running on the old server as of yesterday) I still show you've never logged into the new server, but you signed into the old server last night. You might want to check your configuration on your SSH client and make sure it isn't pointing to lagos.thcnet.net. "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." --Carl Sagan |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Monday April 9, 2007 @ 01:56pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I still show you've never logged into the new server, but you signed into the old server last night. You might want to check your configuration on your SSH client and make sure it isn't pointing to lagos.thcnet.net. OK I found the problem. I still had the IP in there from back when I was having DNS issues like a year ago. Hahah! Awesome. You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Stealth
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 02:51pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I still show you've never logged into the new server, but you signed into the old server last night. You might want to check your configuration on your SSH client and make sure it isn't pointing to lagos.thcnet.net. OK I found the problem. I still had the IP in there from back when I was having DNS issues like a year ago. Hahah! Awesome. it must be krux's fault. hehehe DNS can be a bastard some times.. you should see the problems I have with the Army DNS servers.. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 03:24pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] it must be krux's fault. hehehe It was actually. I had been using his DNS specifically so that I could avoid the Comcast cable bullshit. But then it barfed so I went to IP. You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 06:46pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] it must be krux's fault. hehehe It was actually. I had been using his DNS specifically so that I could avoid the Comcast cable bullshit. But then it barfed so I went to IP. Well either your IP changed, or I was editing my DNS configuration and removed your IP because I didn't remember what the hell it was in there for, or Comcast decided to block you from using external DNS servers. "Over the trackless rolling dust-dunes under Krux's coffee table, electromagnetism is at work." -- Dun Malg |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 09:20pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] No, it was when the shit went down for a weekend or something. I remember we had a thread about it. The thc_dns.txt file on my desktop is dated 6/25/06 so the discussion would have been around there sometime. You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Tuesday April 10, 2007 @ 11:04pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] No, it was when the shit went down for a weekend or something. I remember we had a thread about it. The thc_dns.txt file on my desktop is dated 6/25/06 so the discussion would have been around there sometime. Well looking at my sent mail, server beach's entire network was down on the 25th of June, 2006 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: krux To: Jeremy Cc: voltaic Subject: Re: thc down? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Hey man.. you away THC is down? No, serverbeach's network was down. The server has been up for 57 days. perl -e 's++=END;++y(;-P)}\n?k++=;<+xru}?print:??;' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEnv5nViaQCJ4nOPoRAk7hAJ9rjeD6YZVrRE/OmlKSBPggBT2u0ACg3EK9 exDCSjsGveRDpmhuS+fYlu0= =kVxH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- "In some states it's against the law to tease a retard." |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 11, 2007 @ 07:04am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] That may have been the one. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Wednesday April 11, 2007 @ 06:14pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] That may have been the one. Seems probable. "Money isn't everything... It's also the goods and services that you can buy with the money." |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Wednesday April 11, 2007 @ 10:01pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Found the thread: https://thcnet.net/index.php?section=article,83192 You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Wednesday April 11, 2007 @ 11:57pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Found the thread: https://thcnet.net/index.php?section=article,83192 Pimp. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Monday April 9, 2007 @ 02:07pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I still show you've never logged into the new server, but you signed into the old server last night. You might want to check your configuration on your SSH client and make sure it isn't pointing to lagos.thcnet.net. OK I found the problem. I still had the IP in there from back when I was having DNS issues like a year ago. Hahah! Awesome. Well there's your problem. What? I don't speak your crazy moon-language. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Caliber
on Sunday April 8, 2007 @ 06:05am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I get a similar error... So does this mean I can set up a box-based email client? Land of the free, Home of the Brave* *some restrictions apply, void where prohibited |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Sunday April 8, 2007 @ 06:08am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I dunno, three days without my main e-mail address sucks, though. Here's hoping it gets fixed soon. You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Sunday April 8, 2007 @ 09:30pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I dunno, three days without my main e-mail address sucks, though. Here's hoping it gets fixed soon. I hear ya. Always a pain mucking about trying to migrating email services from one server to another. Look! Ol' Puddin head wants to say something. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Monday April 9, 2007 @ 02:31am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I hear ya. Always a pain mucking about trying to migrating email services from one server to another. Yeah and I've done that shit before so I know it sucks. Which is why I wasn't going to bitch too terribly about it. You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Friday April 6, 2007 @ 11:32pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] moving the mail to the new server tonight... so um.. be cool. grr... so it almost works but not quite. I'm thinking on just biting the bullet and converting everyone over to maildir format already.. it has some advantages over mbox... though it does mean a bit of work and getting use to not being able to just edit everything in one big mail file. Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Thursday April 5, 2007 @ 12:07am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] moving the mail to the new server tonight... so um.. be cool. Email seems to be working. I'm now in the process of installing the pop3/imap daemons, getting the pop-before-smtp setup, getting pgp for pine setup, etc... "It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." --Carl Sagan |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Thursday April 5, 2007 @ 01:05am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] moving the mail to the new server tonight... so um.. be cool. Email seems to be working. I'm now in the process of installing the pop3/imap daemons, getting the pop-before-smtp setup, getting pgp for pine setup, etc... Hmmm... so uw-imap server sucks ass. courier-imap works nicely, however it only support maildir, and everything mail related in the past has been mbox format. I kind of like mbox, and don't really want to explode my mail file into thousands of individual files in multiple directories. Looking at dovecot, since it's suppose to support both, but since it's 1am and I need to get to sleep, it may not be up tonight if it's not install and go... [edit] ok not quite working, but almost... it doesn't seem to check for mail in the spool folder like it should... I'm done for the night. "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -- Stephen Henry Roberts |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Thursday April 5, 2007 @ 11:12am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I tried to send an e-mail to my aunt and cousin at their aol.com and yahoo.com addresses and I received this error from SquirrelMail: Requested action not taken: mailbox name not allowed Server replied: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) So I guess yay for fucking faggot spamserver bullshit. I had an e-mail rejected the other day from another server as well, asking me to "register" with some spam filter website. Good times. You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Thursday April 5, 2007 @ 06:36pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I tried to send an e-mail to my aunt and cousin at their aol.com and yahoo.com addresses and I received this error from SquirrelMail: Requested action not taken: mailbox name not allowed Server replied: 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) So I guess yay for fucking faggot spamserver bullshit. I had an e-mail rejected the other day from another server as well, asking me to "register" with some spam filter website. Good times. For some reason yahoo has been marking a lot of stuff I send as spam now.. not sure what they did, since I've had the same SPF records forever. I'll be researching that. The IP address of the server wasn't listed in the RBL lists when I checked that. Anyway, that error you got was from my server because I didn't set it up to allow mail relaying yet. I was working on the imap part last night, and got slammed today at work so I didn't have a chance to look at it during lunch, since lunch was a business meeting. so webmail which needs to send via smtp is not very functional at the moment. Cynic, n.: One who looks through rose-colored glasses with a jaundiced eye. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Thursday April 5, 2007 @ 07:16pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] As always, not a complaint duder. Just an FYI. I'm only restricted to Squirrelmail from work where I can't use SSH. You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Thursday April 5, 2007 @ 11:03pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] As always, not a complaint duder. Just an FYI. I'm only restricted to Squirrelmail from work where I can't use SSH. well tonight I was actually social, so I had people over to watch MST3K.... tomorrow is of course Grindhouse, so assuming it's not dreadfully dull on Friday at work (not likely), you're looking at Saturday as the soonest I can fix webmail... "I'm not going to sit here while you run around this cul de sac of stupidity." -- Ron Bennington |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Saturday April 7, 2007 @ 07:24am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Just as an FYI, I haven't gotten any e-mail at all in the last couple of days. Not even spam in pine's junkmail folder. Nothing at all since Thursday. So anything you can do to speed up the fixing I'd appreciate. Thanks. You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Saturday April 7, 2007 @ 08:56am[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] Just as an FYI, I haven't gotten any e-mail at all in the last couple of days. Not even spam in pine's junkmail folder. Nothing at all since Thursday. So anything you can do to speed up the fixing I'd appreciate. Thanks. Flood came in. Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Saturday April 7, 2007 @ 01:46pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I don't know what that means. |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Saturday April 7, 2007 @ 02:12pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] I don't know what that means. it's the opposite of a drought. "When life gives you lemons, you run into a school with a gun and grenades and start shooting people..." -rb |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by voltaic
on Saturday April 7, 2007 @ 04:45pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] So is this like a metaphor? Drought is a land getting no water like I am getting no e-mail? You could stick a sandwich in it and call it a lunch box, but that doesn't make it any less of a purse. -krux |
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Re: checkin da email
Posted by Krux
on Saturday April 7, 2007 @ 05:13pm[ Announcements ] >> [ reply ][ rating +0 ] So is this like a metaphor? Drought is a land getting no water like I am getting no e-mail? Maybe I was being a surrealist. Though I suppose replying with "you have fish" would have been a better answer to your post, in that case. "Over the trackless rolling dust-dunes under Krux's coffee table, electromagnetism is at work." -- Dun Malg |