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Posted by formatc on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 05:34am
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w0rd. I just got cleared to go. SBB will be coming with me too. See you suckers in August!

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Posted by Stealth on Tuesday August 21, 2007 @ 07:40am
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w0rd. I just got cleared to go. SBB will be coming with me too. See you suckers in August!

This is a funny shirt... nice gallery of other pictures too.

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You ain't from this planet are you, Vincent? Who is gonna mug two black fellas, holding pistols, sat in a car that is worth less than your shirt? - Sol


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Posted by Krux on Tuesday August 21, 2007 @ 04:20pm
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w0rd. I just got cleared to go. SBB will be coming with me too. See you suckers in August!

This is a funny shirt... nice gallery of other pictures too.

Deleted photo chester

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joesmooth/sets/72157601302838516/with/1051107683/

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Posted by Stealth on Tuesday August 21, 2007 @ 09:59pm
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w0rd. I just got cleared to go. SBB will be coming with me too. See you suckers in August!

This is a funny shirt... nice gallery of other pictures too.

Deleted photo chester

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joesmooth/sets/72157601302838516/with/1051107683/

well that's some bullshit. I should have saved it off I guess.


The shirt said (it was a brown shirt held up by a hot women) "While you where looking at my tits I owned your box".

Pretty funny IMO

- stealth -
Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution,
manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me.
- Brick Top:


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Posted by voltaic on Wednesday August 22, 2007 @ 08:22am
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The shirt said (it was a brown shirt held up by a hot women) "While you where looking at my tits I owned your box".

Pretty funny IMO

OK that is pretty funny.

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by unicron on Tuesday August 21, 2007 @ 11:52pm
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The shirt said (it was a brown shirt held up by a hot women) "While you where looking at my tits I owned your box".

Pretty funny IMO

Would fit well with "while I was looking at your tits I penetrated your box" t-shirt.

-unicron

Haha, thats funny. Who here hasn't gotten a blowjob from a midget? Although, due to midget hookers being easier to choke for obvious reasons, I tend to run through them pretty fast.


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Posted by Krux on Monday August 6, 2007 @ 06:30pm
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w0rd. I just got cleared to go. SBB will be coming with me too. See you suckers in August!

Dateline NBC tried to do an undercover hire a hacker bit part of a hackers are evil news segment, and got chased out of the conference.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nCvmkxO5hoQ

"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." -- Carl Sagan


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Posted by unicron on Monday August 6, 2007 @ 11:29pm
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That was too funny. Her bad luck parking job was pure win.


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Posted by voltaic on Tuesday August 7, 2007 @ 07:37am
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Damn I didn't watch until the very end. I should go check that out. Heheh.


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Posted by unicron on Tuesday August 7, 2007 @ 08:37am
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Damn I didn't watch until the very end. I should go check that out. Heheh.

She couldn't have been farther away without being in another casino's parking lot. She was trying to maintain and walk casually and it ended up being a 5+ minute walk while getting heckled. By these guys:



-unicron

You bunch of nerve wracking sons of bitches. This is like playing cards with my brothers kids!


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Posted by voltaic on Tuesday August 7, 2007 @ 06:10pm
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Oh, that part I saw. I thought you meant she had parked in some shitty spot and couldn't get out or something. Heheh

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Krux on Tuesday August 7, 2007 @ 10:08pm
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Oh, that part I saw. I thought you meant she had parked in some shitty spot and couldn't get out or something. Heheh

Well she did try to leave the parking lot the wrong way

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C.


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Posted by Caliber on Wednesday August 8, 2007 @ 08:29am
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Oh, that part I saw. I thought you meant she had parked in some shitty spot and couldn't get out or something. Heheh

Well she did try to leave the parking lot the wrong way

that was pretty funny actually. Its like one more nail in the coffin of her dignity

Its interesting to read the comments. There are half the people calling her a cunt and half calling for social change... nerds are funny hehehe

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am...


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Posted by Krux on Saturday August 4, 2007 @ 05:40am
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So met up with my friend Heather from Sac Town, and joined her team to crack the mystery box challenge this guy lost puts on. Damn fun, but hard as hell. First part was figuring out how to decrypt this one time pad encrypted message. Then once we had that we got the mystery box, which is this black welded steel box, with three pad locks, a circuit board and LCD display... oh and the thing has a tilt sensor, so it has to remain upright, or the circuit destroys itself and you lose. Got past the padlocks, but we had to dremel two of them, managed to get by the part of the circuit which was going through one of the locking bars. and even that was a challenge since it was a pain even getting the dremel tool at the lock to cut it. I finally got through the lock on the underside of the device around 4:30am. Now we have to figure how to bypass the circuit. Challenge for tomorrow.

Hard to explain this thing, but I'll post pictures once they've been uploaded.

"Online petitions totally effect social change." -- voltaic


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Posted by Stealth on Monday August 6, 2007 @ 12:38pm
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So met up with my friend Heather from Sac Town, and joined her team to crack the mystery box challenge this guy lost puts on. Damn fun, but hard as hell. First part was figuring out how to decrypt this one time pad encrypted message. Then once we had that we got the mystery box, which is this black welded steel box, with three pad locks, a circuit board and LCD display... oh and the thing has a tilt sensor, so it has to remain upright, or the circuit destroys itself and you lose. Got past the padlocks, but we had to dremel two of them, managed to get by the part of the circuit which was going through one of the locking bars. and even that was a challenge since it was a pain even getting the dremel tool at the lock to cut it. I finally got through the lock on the underside of the device around 4:30am. Now we have to figure how to bypass the circuit. Challenge for tomorrow.

Hard to explain this thing, but I'll post pictures once they've been uploaded.

So how did you all happen to have the tools? did they let you bring them back from home or did they provide them for you?

- stealth -
Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution,
manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me.
- Brick Top:


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Posted by Krux on Monday August 6, 2007 @ 06:27pm
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So how did you all happen to have the tools? did they let you bring them back from home or did they provide them for you?

We had some with us, and I had to make a couple trips home for supplemental tools. Fortunately I live fairly close. There are no rules, so they let you do anything.

One of the teams got swarmed on by Rivera security when they were bringing the device through the casino, since as you can see, it looks rather suspicious. We did most of our work in the contest space, and some of it up in the hotel room.

"I want to make a Hamster cannon, like a potato gun -- and have Hamster cannon fights. Everyone gets a cannon, and a bandoleer of hamsters and just make a day of it. That'd be amusing." --my brother


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Posted by Stealth on Sunday August 5, 2007 @ 12:09am
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So met up with my friend Heather from Sac Town, and joined her team to crack the mystery box challenge this guy lost puts on. Damn fun, but hard as hell. First part was figuring out how to decrypt this one time pad encrypted message. Then once we had that we got the mystery box, which is this black welded steel box, with three pad locks, a circuit board and LCD display... oh and the thing has a tilt sensor, so it has to remain upright, or the circuit destroys itself and you lose. Got past the padlocks, but we had to dremel two of them, managed to get by the part of the circuit which was going through one of the locking bars. and even that was a challenge since it was a pain even getting the dremel tool at the lock to cut it. I finally got through the lock on the underside of the device around 4:30am. Now we have to figure how to bypass the circuit. Challenge for tomorrow.

Hard to explain this thing, but I'll post pictures once they've been uploaded.

Very cool.. how many teams where there? how many boxes? Doesn't DefCon normally have like a few hundred people?

- stealth -
You only Live once,
but if you work it right, once is enough
- Joe E. Lewis


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Posted by Krux on Sunday August 5, 2007 @ 05:34am
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So met up with my friend Heather from Sac Town, and joined her team to crack the mystery box challenge this guy lost puts on. Damn fun, but hard as hell. First part was figuring out how to decrypt this one time pad encrypted message. Then once we had that we got the mystery box, which is this black welded steel box, with three pad locks, a circuit board and LCD display... oh and the thing has a tilt sensor, so it has to remain upright, or the circuit destroys itself and you lose. Got past the padlocks, but we had to dremel two of them, managed to get by the part of the circuit which was going through one of the locking bars. and even that was a challenge since it was a pain even getting the dremel tool at the lock to cut it. I finally got through the lock on the underside of the device around 4:30am. Now we have to figure how to bypass the circuit. Challenge for tomorrow.

Hard to explain this thing, but I'll post pictures once they've been uploaded.

Very cool.. how many teams where there? how many boxes? Doesn't DefCon normally have like a few hundred people?

Umm... for the mystery box challenge there were 20 teams, we came in 4th. though when we started we were the only team who wasn't actually given the piece of paper that had the message we had to decrypt. we just had a box with a notepad and 25 circles with the letters of the alphabet, but no 'E'. So losing some time spinning our wheels on that one was kind of a pain.

They made up 8600 badges and ran out... badges were cool since they had a text scroller, programmable chip, pads to add a radio and 3-axis motion sensor, etc... post more later but I'm tired as hell.

"Online petitions totally effect social change." -- voltaic


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Posted by voltaic on Monday August 6, 2007 @ 07:26pm
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we just had a box with a notepad and 25 circles with the letters of the alphabet, but no 'E'.

Blame the Malkavians. ;) So when you get some time can you explain more about the contest and what the various challenges were?

That shit about the reporter who got caught was fucking awesome. That's two awesome things at one Defcon. WTF?

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Krux on Tuesday August 7, 2007 @ 08:13pm
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we just had a box with a notepad and 25 circles with the letters of the alphabet, but no 'E'.

Blame the Malkavians. ;) So when you get some time can you explain more about the contest and what the various challenges were?

That shit about the reporter who got caught was fucking awesome. That's two awesome things at one Defcon. WTF?

I end up a part of team Halibut in the LosT@CON Mystery Challenge, since I'm there, and hanging out with Heather for the weekend.

At the start of the contest we got a small red box with hearts on it. In the box were:

A stack of disks of paper, 25 with the letters A-Z, minus the letter E all within a picture of a book. They were in random order and a couple were flipped over.
A notepad with 1x21 on the first page, but otherwise empty.

We also knew that there was a red phone of unknown significance, and had hints pertaining to time.

Since we didn't have the page with the encrypted text, we wasted quite a bit of time trying to find some meaning in the order of the disks, looking for hidden messages using UV light and heat. Eventually we decided to poke around and see what other teams were up to and noticed they had something we didn't have.

We should have also got this page:



You can see a sample of some of the disks..Ignore the underlining of some letters, that was done by the team who let us take a photo of the page.

From this we were to figure out that it was a one time pad encryption, the date the book was published, and that the book was written without the use of the letter E. The picture was taken from the page that had the entire contents of the book online, and the By Gads! was an anagram of the title.

A google search for "book without the letter e" brought up this page:

http://www.spinelessbooks.com/gadsby/

EVW are the author's initials, and the two numbers, cleverly looking like a phone number are actually the date found on the page, 1939.

The two stamps in the corner are just LosT's signature.

Eventually we got the clue about it being a book without the letter E and HAD the book and were on to the one time pad encryption, but wasted some cycles trying to figure out what the hell the numbers were, trying to run the text we had through perl scripts to try various methods of decrypting it, etc..

Once we figured out that the key was in the book, we ran through what we thought should be the key, and eventually every possible iteration of what the key could be, and got nothing. It was dinner time, and while in line Steve, the guy who was doing a lot of the Perl code, realized he was using the encrypt function instead of the decrypt function. We also were mistakenly assuming A=0 and not A=1. A mistake pretty much being made by all the teams, since LosT eventually gave us the clue, hey stupids A=1. So at dinner, Dave's getting antsy, and we pull out my laptop and fix the code. Try the decryption, and BAM we have plain text.

It's late so Heather and I race to the contest area to make sure LosT stays put, while Steve and Dave try to figure out the clue that's in the text. LosT is packing up but sticks around. Steve and Dave arrive shortly after, and show what they think is correct, LosT says there must be something wrong with your input text because it's wrong.. gah... ok turns out what we though was two words in the middle was actually one.. that led us to the correct image, and we were on to phase 2. We were the 11th team at that point to get their box.

LosT takes a moment to "prepare" the box, and then takes everyone behind the curtain, where we see the box sitting on a chair, and it's off.



He explains how he wants to make sure that we're going to start off on this box correctly, since once it's been activated there is no deactivating it, and no resetting it. Once the box is dead it wipes out it's programming, and he didn't bring the equipment to reprogram them this year on purpose since several teams screwed up their box last year and needed a reset. We have to wait for it to go through one cycle before we can begin. We're all watching the screen, as it describes how it needs to have good posture and remain upright. We get a certain number of tips of the device, but we won't find out till we tip it. We also don't know how far we can tip it before it goes off. At the end of the screens of text it says to tip it once now to see.. no one touches the thing. LosT then explains how the wires for the circuit are run through the top of the box where the locks are, and that the only place there are not wires is on the bottom. We carefully pick up the box and look underneath where there is a pancake lock. Inside the box we would find instructions on how to attack the circuit.

This whole secret reveling of the box was of course for show but it worked.

Out in the contest area we started by attacking the bottom lock using two tables to keep it level. There wasn't much room for lock picks, so picking the lock proved too difficult. So we took a look at the top locks to see what could be done there. It looked like we could at least get them out of the way without disrupting the circuit, and if needed bypass the wires going through by going around them. There were two locks on top, a brinks and a Masterlock. The Masterlock, was the supposed easy one, which could be unlocked with an electric dental floss. The brinks lock was going to be harder, since it had spool pins. I turns out the brinks was the easier lock, since the tumbler on the Masterlock was rather loose and didn't want to be picked or bumpkeyed... so deciding not to waste more time on it, we cut it open with the dremel.



We decided to try the bottom lock with the dremel first since we had the tools out, before bypassing the circuitry on the top. This proved to be rather difficult since there was little room to get the tool in there. I drove home and picked up my Dremel, since it had a wand attachment which would provide us more room to work. However, even that wasn't enough, since the radius of the cutting wheels was not large enough to go all the way through the lock bolt. And with the pancake style lock you had to cut both sides. And even though it was quite late at that point, it was a trip to the 24 hour super walmart for some better cutting wheels. That made quick work of the bottom lock, and I didn't even have to use our backup plan of drilling the plate off the side. After that, we bypased the circuit at the top by melting the insulation off the wires and shorting them together on one side, then soldering the wires, adding fire to the shower of sparks and smoke we already created.

So at this point it's 4 in the morning, and random team member from another team working in the room that late see's we have the instructions that were in the box on the table, and decides to grab them and say "there are no rules." At this point he has three guys who want to kill him, looking for the nearest implement you could use to disembowel someone with (of which we had plenty). He realizes the error in his judgment and quickly returns the paper saying he was only kidding and wouldn't actually do that. We pack up and move the box, 25 pounds of hardened steel which can't be tilted, upstairs. We decide to call it a night, since it's 4:30 at this point, and return in the morning to attack the circuit. We eat breakfast, and go to a talk we wanted to see, while trying to figure out the circuit's purpose since it does not



While we're downstairs in the contest area looking to see if there are any new clues posted, while talking to LosT, to get a clue on the we notice one team has their box and the circuit and is holding it up to the skull on the table. At that point it's obvious to Dave and I what we need to do next. It's upstairs to work on the circuit, and convert our box into a 5 volt power supply.

We disable the circuit, by pulling the black and red wires which we bypassed from the circuit. The display updates, and says congratulations, and to remove all the wires. It also gives the clue 555. Though in our disabling of the circuit, we inadvertently trip the last of our allowed tilts. The circuit says it's "dead", and then the buzzer just beeps constantly. Ok, well there are no rules right, so I just cut the wire to the buzzer, and remove the LCD. Works just fine as a 5v power supply and hopefully we don't need the circuit further. Turns out we were right in assuming this, since we just needed to provide regulated power.

The message from the light in the skull, using the receiver we built, we hear music, a rant, and then a number which looks to be in hex. We translate that to a 7 digit number and try the phone. That gives us another message asking what phone number would LosT have if he were in a Hollywood movie, and also dyslexic. Ok, so translate LosT to leet, reverse, and then prefix with 555. We dial that, get the final message, and have finished the Mystery Box Challenge, placing fourth out of 21.

"I'll fucking knock Steven Hawking out of that stupid chair.
Then i'll say 'now who's smart? now who's fucking smart?'" -- rb


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Posted by Krux on Tuesday August 14, 2007 @ 08:34pm
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And for those interested, I dumped the code and grabbed the strings, so you can see what it displayed on the little two line display.

Dead.

Stand me back up!

Wait while I calm down...

From the twisted mind of LosT

The Defcon 15
LosT@CON Mystery Challenge

Box Must Keep a good posture

Maintain a good posture or the
box will die b4 giving up secret

Contained within are instructions
on how to attack the circuit

wouldn't play with any of the
wires until you have them.

You may only tip me over a few times

how many before I won't
help you anymore

Try it once now
.................

1 tilt wasted. (Sucker!)

So far so good!

No change.

Excellent!

No change.

All my base are belong to you!

No change.

Are you some kind of ninja??

No change.

pHen hao da ren. iWo xi huan ni.

No change.

Oh so close... Can you fell it?

No change.

Only 1 more to go!

No change.

Congratulations. You may now
remove all wires and proceed: 555

Invalid State. Try Again.

Checking State in 10 seconds.

Checking State in 9 seconds.

Checking State in 8 seconds.

Checking State in 7 seconds.

Checking State in 6 seconds.

Checking State in 5 seconds.

Checking State in 4 seconds.

Checking State in 3 seconds.

Checking State in 2 seconds.

Checking State in 1 second.


Here is the hex dump:

http://krux.org/misc/LosT.SXH

perl -e 's++=END;++y(;-P)}n?k++=;<+xru}?print:??;'


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Posted by Stealth on Wednesday August 8, 2007 @ 03:59pm
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Wow. I am impressed.. I really don't think I would have had the skills to work through that. Some days I know I'm dumber then I think I am..

Sounds like a whole lot of fun man.. very cool. Maybe someday I'll get around to a DefCon event.

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but if you work it right, once is enough
- Joe E. Lewis


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Posted by Caliber on Wednesday August 8, 2007 @ 08:42am
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That is seriously some bad ass shit... I'm envious

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Posted by voltaic on Wednesday August 8, 2007 @ 07:45am
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That's cool! How much time do you think you guys lost not having received the paper at the start? Do you think you'd have won then or was there not really that much time difference?

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Krux on Wednesday August 8, 2007 @ 07:12pm
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That's cool! How much time do you think you guys lost not having received the paper at the start? Do you think you'd have won then or was there not really that much time difference?

It probably would not have made a big difference, since we needed a hint on figuring out it was a book without the letter E in it that we were looking for to obtain the one time pad data. But who knows, perhaps we burnt ourselves out a bit trying to make sense of something which could not be made sense of. And the winning "team" was four teams who joined forces so there were 20 people working on the thing. It's anyone's guess really.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -- Stephen Henry Roberts


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Posted by voltaic on Wednesday August 8, 2007 @ 09:55pm
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And the winning "team" was four teams who joined forces so there were 20 people working on the thing. It's anyone's guess really.

Quoted for gayness. :P

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Krux on Wednesday August 8, 2007 @ 10:29pm
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And the winning "team" was four teams who joined forces so there were 20 people working on the thing. It's anyone's guess really.

Quoted for gayness. :P

Hehe... well they did finish first though. And technically it is within the rules.

"I think if you really like a girl, you have to pay a LOT of attention to her.
But try telling that to those jerks on the jury." -- Dave George


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Posted by voltaic on Thursday August 9, 2007 @ 07:34am
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That's why it is "gayness" instead of cheating. I wouldn't even say it's lame. Winning by brute force is just inelegant.

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Stealth on Thursday August 9, 2007 @ 10:32am
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That's why it is "gayness" instead of cheating. I wouldn't even say it's lame. Winning by brute force is just inelegant.

And what do you call a using a dremel tool to "pick" a lock?

- stealth -
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manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me.
- Brick Top:


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Posted by voltaic on Thursday August 9, 2007 @ 03:01pm
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I call it cutting a lock. You can't compare the physical goals of the challenge vs the spirit of the thing. Why not have all the teams join together in one and they can hold hands singing Kum-ba-yah in a circle around the guy working.

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Stealth on Friday August 10, 2007 @ 08:15am
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I call it cutting a lock. You can't compare the physical goals of the challenge vs the spirit of the thing. Why not have all the teams join together in one and they can hold hands singing Kum-ba-yah in a circle around the guy working.

hehhee.. as long as there is smores.. they can sing whatever they want.

I'm just saying.. give a bunch of hacking type people.. grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up) then taking a dremel tool to the thing. I would think they would want to see who could pick the locks the fastest.. gracefully.

Regardless, that whole contest was a cool idea.

- stealth -
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity. - Bullet Tooth Tony


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Posted by artistic_chaos on Wednesday August 15, 2007 @ 10:16am
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I'm just saying.. give a bunch of hacking type people.. grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up) then taking a dremel tool to the thing. I would think they would want to see who could pick the locks the fastest.. gracefully.

Picking locks gracefully is all well and good... when the locks are actually in a position to be picked. My lockpicks wouldn't even *fit* in the tiny space where the lock was crammed.

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Posted by Stealth on Wednesday August 15, 2007 @ 11:18am
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I'm just saying.. give a bunch of hacking type people.. grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up) then taking a dremel tool to the thing. I would think they would want to see who could pick the locks the fastest.. gracefully.

Picking locks gracefully is all well and good... when the locks are actually in a position to be picked. My lockpicks wouldn't even *fit* in the tiny space where the lock was crammed.

well then, by all means.. bring out the blow torch!

- stealth -
You ain't from this planet are you, Vincent? Who is gonna mug two black fellas, holding pistols, sat in a car that is worth less than your shirt? - Sol


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Posted by artistic_chaos on Wednesday August 15, 2007 @ 11:30am
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well then, by all means.. bring out the blow torch!

Heh, we had a little torch. It was cool :)

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Posted by voltaic on Friday August 10, 2007 @ 12:34pm
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grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up)

So you still disagree, but in this case you agree.

GOOD FUCKING TIMES!

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Stealth on Saturday August 11, 2007 @ 02:47pm
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grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up)

So you still disagree, but in this case you agree.

GOOD FUCKING TIMES!

grouping up.. as in 4 or 5.. not 15 or 20.

it is possible to have it both ways.

- stealth -
You ain't from this planet are you, Vincent? Who is gonna mug two black fellas, holding pistols, sat in a car that is worth less than your shirt? - Sol


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Posted by Caliber on Sunday August 12, 2007 @ 05:57am
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grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up)

So you still disagree, but in this case you agree.

GOOD FUCKING TIMES!

grouping up.. as in 4 or 5.. not 15 or 20.

it is possible to have it both ways.

so you are bi?

$1500 keyboards are dumb.

--voltaic


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Posted by Stealth on Monday August 13, 2007 @ 07:29am
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grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up)

So you still disagree, but in this case you agree.

GOOD FUCKING TIMES!

grouping up.. as in 4 or 5.. not 15 or 20.

it is possible to have it both ways.

so you are bi?

always the first thing you think of, eh?

- stealth -
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity. - Bullet Tooth Tony


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Posted by Caliber on Monday August 13, 2007 @ 11:03am
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grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up)

So you still disagree, but in this case you agree.

GOOD FUCKING TIMES!

grouping up.. as in 4 or 5.. not 15 or 20.

it is possible to have it both ways.

so you are bi?

always the first thing you think of, eh?

Naw, just trying to help you out... so many people suffer their secrets so as to become incapable of dealing with society as a whole

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Posted by unicron on Monday August 13, 2007 @ 08:20am
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always the first thing you think of hope for, eh?

Went ahead and fixed that for you.

-unicron

You bunch of nerve wracking sons of bitches. This is like playing cards with my brothers kids!


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Posted by Caliber on Monday August 13, 2007 @ 11:05am
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always the first thing you think of hope for, eh?

Went ahead and fixed that for you.

well, not the first thing

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

--Edmund Burke


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Posted by Stealth on Monday August 13, 2007 @ 08:22am
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always the first thing you think of hope for, eh?

Went ahead and fixed that for you.

that was fan-fucking-tastic.

- stealth -
You ain't from this planet are you, Vincent? Who is gonna mug two black fellas, holding pistols, sat in a car that is worth less than your shirt? - Sol


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Posted by unicron on Friday August 10, 2007 @ 08:29am
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I'm just saying.. give a bunch of hacking type people.. grouping up makes a bit more sense ( but not 4 teams.. that is messed up) then taking a dremel tool to the thing. I would think they would want to see who could pick the locks the fastest.. gracefully.

Well it was about teamwork, wasn't it? And besides even with 4 teams only 2 or 3 people are going to be doing actual touching/working on it. Sometimes too many people can be detriment. Could you imagine 30 people yelling their ideas to the guy trying to break the lock? I'd start dremeling throats in seconds.

-unicron


He will do one of two things
He will admit to everything
Or he'll say he's just not the same
And you'll begin to wonder why you came


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Posted by unicron on Thursday August 9, 2007 @ 12:36pm
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High cyclic rate force?


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Posted by Stealth on Sunday August 5, 2007 @ 02:23pm
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So met up with my friend Heather from Sac Town, and joined her team to crack the mystery box challenge this guy lost puts on. Damn fun, but hard as hell. First part was figuring out how to decrypt this one time pad encrypted message. Then once we had that we got the mystery box, which is this black welded steel box, with three pad locks, a circuit board and LCD display... oh and the thing has a tilt sensor, so it has to remain upright, or the circuit destroys itself and you lose. Got past the padlocks, but we had to dremel two of them, managed to get by the part of the circuit which was going through one of the locking bars. and even that was a challenge since it was a pain even getting the dremel tool at the lock to cut it. I finally got through the lock on the underside of the device around 4:30am. Now we have to figure how to bypass the circuit. Challenge for tomorrow.

Hard to explain this thing, but I'll post pictures once they've been uploaded.

Very cool.. how many teams where there? how many boxes? Doesn't DefCon normally have like a few hundred people?

Umm... for the mystery box challenge there were 20 teams, we came in 4th. though when we started we were the only team who wasn't actually given the piece of paper that had the message we had to decrypt. we just had a box with a notepad and 25 circles with the letters of the alphabet, but no 'E'. So losing some time spinning our wheels on that one was kind of a pain.

Bastards giving you a bad start. Nice finish though.. not to bad. Was the message any good?

They made up 8600 badges and ran out... badges were cool since they had a text scroller, programmable chip, pads to add a radio and 3-axis motion sensor, etc... post more later but I'm tired as hell.

Damn.. that's a pick party. I really should get around to going to some of the cool shows. Those badges sound pretty wild. Probably some cool hacks or mods made out of those.

- stealth -
You only Live once,
but if you work it right, once is enough
- Joe E. Lewis


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Posted by Krux on Sunday August 5, 2007 @ 11:32pm
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Hard to explain this thing, but I'll post pictures once they've been uploaded.

In the process of gathering everyone's photos and posting them now.

Very cool.. how many teams where there? how many boxes? Doesn't DefCon normally have like a few hundred people?

Umm... for the mystery box challenge there were 20 teams, we came in 4th. though when we started we were the only team who wasn't actually given the piece of paper that had the message we had to decrypt. we just had a box with a notepad and 25 circles with the letters of the alphabet, but no 'E'. So losing some time spinning our wheels on that one was kind of a pain.

Bastards giving you a bad start. Nice finish though.. not to bad. Was the message any good?

In that it told us what we had to do to get the second box from LosT.

They made up 8600 badges and ran out... badges were cool since they had a text scroller, programmable chip, pads to add a radio and 3-axis motion sensor, etc... post more later but I'm tired as hell.

Damn.. that's a pick party. I really should get around to going to some of the cool shows. Those badges sound pretty wild. Probably some cool hacks or mods made out of those.

Yea, I have some good ideas for hacking mine. Better software, wireless interface, proximity based charging of the battery, etc.. I also got the Proto Board from the device we had to disarm, so have two different micro controllers to mess around with.

The way contest itself was run was pretty cool, since we had random people walking up to us offering help. It's not sectioned away like the capture the flag contest, it's more something geared to encourage working with a lot of people. There are no rules.

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx


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Posted by Krux on Monday August 6, 2007 @ 02:18am
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Not all up yet, and the script is being wonky with comments, but you can see some stuff.

And I didn't realize my camera stops recording video after a certain amount of time so I missed a big chunk of LosT's explanation, though I'm sure there is video of that somewhere else.

http://krux.org/gallery/v/events/defcon15

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C.


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Posted by voltaic on Sunday August 5, 2007 @ 04:22pm
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Damn.. that's a pick party.

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Posted by Stealth on Monday August 6, 2007 @ 12:34pm
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Damn.. that's a pick party.

?

packed. packed party.


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Posted by Krux on Monday August 6, 2007 @ 06:28pm
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Damn.. that's a pick party.

?

packed. packed party.

The raised a lot of money for the EFF which was cool. Over 20 grand.

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Posted by voltaic on Saturday August 4, 2007 @ 10:16am
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This sounds like it might be the coolest thing to ever happen at a DefCon. Def want to see pics and post when you bypass that shit and what it's all about.

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Krux on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 11:34am
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w0rd. I just got cleared to go. SBB will be coming with me too. See you suckers in August!

Cool man. I'm down for some chilling at defcon.

"I want to make a Hamster cannon, like a potato gun -- and have Hamster cannon fights. Everyone gets a cannon, and a bandoleer of hamsters and just make a day of it. That'd be amusing." --my brother


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Posted by voltaic on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 08:10am
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Suckers are the people who pay to go to Defcon. ;)


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Posted by formatc on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 07:10pm
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Suckers are the people who pay to go to Defcon. ;)

Suckers are those who don't see a way to get their trip to Las Vegas paid for by work. Now, translate this from Mandarin Chinese: "Chow My Hog!"

Sun Tzu, von Clausewitz, Machiavelli, Mao Tse-tung, Jomini, & Boyd: How fast is your OODA loop?


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Posted by voltaic on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 11:02pm
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Suckers are those who don't see a way to get their trip to Las Vegas paid for by work. Now, translate this from Mandarin Chinese: "Chow My Hog!"

Right, because Las Vegas is such an awesome place to go. :P

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by formatc on Friday June 22, 2007 @ 12:10pm
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Suckers are those who don't see a way to get their trip to Las Vegas paid for by work. Now, translate this from Mandarin Chinese: "Chow My Hog!"

Right, because Las Vegas is such an awesome place to go. :P

As I sit here in the sticks of rural Arkansas, I fail to appreciate your point. That said, I have some of the same friends you have there. It wouldn't ruin my day to see you either.

In a circus mirror, what the hell are you?


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Posted by Caliber on Monday June 25, 2007 @ 08:18am
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Suckers are those who don't see a way to get their trip to Las Vegas paid for by work. Now, translate this from Mandarin Chinese: "Chow My Hog!"

Right, because Las Vegas is such an awesome place to go. :P

As I sit here in the sticks of rural Arkansas, I fail to appreciate your point. That said, I have some of the same friends you have there. It wouldn't ruin my day to see you either.

I wouldn't be too sure of that... ;)

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

--Edmund Burke


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Posted by voltaic on Friday June 22, 2007 @ 04:51pm
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As I sit here in the sticks of rural Arkansas, I fail to appreciate your point. That said, I have some of the same friends you have there. It wouldn't ruin my day to see you either.

Dude, come hang out in Sacramento or San Francisco. Fuck Vegas. Hehe

Well, this is by far the least painful (and cheapest) thing I've done
for a broad. ha ha ha... it only goes down hill from here... -stealth


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Posted by Stealth on Saturday June 23, 2007 @ 11:21am
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As I sit here in the sticks of rural Arkansas, I fail to appreciate your point. That said, I have some of the same friends you have there. It wouldn't ruin my day to see you either.

Dude, come hang out in Sacramento or San Francisco. Fuck Vegas. Hehe

I really thing you all need to take a field trip across the Atlantic. Seriously.

But.. since that's not going to happen.. if I do head down to the US again it will be to Vegas to see everyone.. but I think DefCon is to soon. Maybe next spring.

- stealth -
You only Live once,
but if you work it right, once is enough
- Joe E. Lewis


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Posted by Krux on Friday June 22, 2007 @ 04:34pm
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As I sit here in the sticks of rural Arkansas, I fail to appreciate your point. That said, I have some of the same friends you have there. It wouldn't ruin my day to see you either.

Wait, are we talking about the same volt?

Seriously though, had a kick ass sushi lunch with volt, caliber, and his wife. Good seeing them.

"Money isn't everything... It's also the goods and services that you can buy with the money."


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Posted by Caliber on Monday June 25, 2007 @ 08:21am
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As I sit here in the sticks of rural Arkansas, I fail to appreciate your point. That said, I have some of the same friends you have there. It wouldn't ruin my day to see you either.

Wait, are we talking about the same volt?

Seriously though, had a kick ass sushi lunch with volt, caliber, and his wife. Good seeing them.

That was a sweet little sushi joint too... good call

$1500 keyboards are dumb. -voltaic


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Posted by Stealth on Saturday June 23, 2007 @ 11:20am
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As I sit here in the sticks of rural Arkansas, I fail to appreciate your point. That said, I have some of the same friends you have there. It wouldn't ruin my day to see you either.

Wait, are we talking about the same volt?

Seriously though, had a kick ass sushi lunch with volt, caliber, and his wife. Good seeing them.

Food and get togethers.. always good things.

- stealth -
You only Live once,
but if you work it right, once is enough
- Joe E. Lewis


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Posted by Stealth on Friday June 22, 2007 @ 12:32am
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Suckers are those who don't see a way to get their trip to Las Vegas paid for by work. Now, translate this from Mandarin Chinese: "Chow My Hog!"

Right, because Las Vegas is such an awesome place to go. :P

And where are you at right now? hehehe

- stealth -
You ain't from this planet are you, Vincent? Who is gonna mug two black fellas, holding pistols, sat in a car that is worth less than your shirt? - Sol


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Posted by voltaic on Friday June 22, 2007 @ 08:31am
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Las Vegas. But not because it's such an awesome place to go.


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Posted by Stealth on Saturday June 23, 2007 @ 11:22am
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Las Vegas. But not because it's such an awesome place to go.

it's more awesome then some states in the middle of the country.. so it's not that bad.

- stealth -
You ain't from this planet are you, Vincent? Who is gonna mug two black fellas, holding pistols, sat in a car that is worth less than your shirt? - Sol


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Posted by unicron on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 09:49am
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Suckers are the people who pay to go to Defcon. ;)

The extreme distance wi-fi contests look pretty interesting, but beyond that, fuck that shit right in it's ear.

Also, the chick that got the train run on her a few years back. That was cool/scary to watch.

-unicron

How much motivation a homie need? I raised a fuckin' office plant from tha dead by hollerin' at it an' feedin' it root beer an' Skittles, y'all.


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Posted by voltaic on Thursday June 21, 2007 @ 11:03am
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yawn


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